Menoth's Fire wrote:
Please keep in mind, I'm not disagreeing with your assessment (since I don't play filthy Rebel scum
), but I know you cannot make such a heavy-handed assertion that you have the magic, undisputable number.
I think you misunderstood my point. I also know what Rob has said about how they make and cost the minis. That does not mean that you cannot determine if a mini is costed correctly in comparison to other minis. We do this all the time. Its not as simple as most people seem to think though, and thats a great point to add. (i.e. you cannot do simple mini vs mini comparison as this is a game about point levels and squads, not mini vs. mini).
What you can do, and what I was suggesting, is to make the best squads out there with each mini. So I suggest my Han Cannon squad (or a similar variant) and a Broken Boba squad (either mine with Lobot, or without him such as Dr. Divot's Champ squad). Play each against 10 different squads and calculate the damage made and the damage taken for each mini. Its not perfect, but it will certainly show you the trend. I have done something like this, I suggest others who want to see how good Boba really is should do the same.
Its a great comparison because Han clearly outclasses Boba in it. He takes more damage to kill, and he kills more points consistently. Boba has his advantages of course, which are mainly, increased range and better survivability against melee. Its hard to add that to the test, but the point should be made regardless. Boba is costed pretty well actually.
The point about disintegration is a good one, and I have made it since we first saw the stats. I dont like its randomness. With that said, and using my personal anecdotal evidence, Boba still doesnt make up more than the standard 9/10 wins by the better player/squad that happens whether he is played or not. Nickname and I both agree that 9/10 times the better player/squad should win the game. So, even though I can also point to two games where I got beat by a lesser player because of Dis. it still doesnt account for any more than 9/10 times. Ironically, it also equals the same amount of times I was beaten by Vader JH this year. In fact, looking back at my dci record from since the BHs release, and calculating my games, I found out this detail.
In games where I was the better player (notice, I am not including games where I lost to players equal to me or better) I was 56/60 which = 93.3% wins. Boba specifically accounted for 2 of those loses or 3.4%. I have had several other games where pieces were disintegrated (perhaps 5-7 more times) that I won. I just do not see the problem.
Now, if I look at the games against equal or better players/squads, then I find this stat: I was 20/29 or 69% wins. How many of those losses were to Boba? Only 2 games total. No joke. So that = a grand total of 89 games, with 4 losses total to a squad containing Boba which = 4.5%. Only two of those came at the hands of major disintegrations which = 2.3%.
How many times did I play against Boba BH? Very hard to remember for sure as I remember the games against good players, and those that I lost much better than the countless players of lower skill that I played and won easily. But I am sure it was quite high, perhaps 40% or so.
So what can we learn from this (as I am surprised even by the math)? Number 1, I play a lot of bad players
, Number 2, I dont see how Boba has negatively impacted the game.
Sure a timely disintegrate can ruin a day if you let it, but there is no reason it has to, or should. There are so many worse things I have seen in other games that this really is a non issue for me.
I hope this is as enlightening to you all as it has been for me. I found Boba to have even less of an impact than I originally thought it would be lol. Perhaps close to 100 games isnt enough, but if others of you can do what I can with match memory (or if you keep detailed records like Dnemiller does) we can add to the sample size. It would be awesome to be able to back up my assertion with even more math, so please, check your DCI ratings history and see if you can figure how much of an impact Boba has really had on your games. Even if it comes out its completely different for you, I will take the results. Because its very possible the answer is in my own squad construction or play style rather than direct effect of Boba on winning games. I know I have beaten too many Boba BHs to count really, so I am open to other interpretations of the data. Lets see how it goes for others. I imagine Lobo and Madman can do something like this for their local, and Boris can probably do similar for his, as well as Engineer for K-zoo as he tracks the squads and records almost every week.