shinja wrote:
Now, I'm not saying that Rebel Storm Han is always (or ever) a better choice than Han Solo on Tauntaun. But just because Han Solo on Tauntaun is a better choice, doesn't mean a squad using RS Han can't be competitive. Just because JWMs are better than the equivalent cost in CS Jedi, doesn't mean you can't make winning squads that use CS Jedi.
So you are saying that a 72 point squad could win consistently even if it included Han Solo? Or that a squad that includes CS Jedi could - consistently?
Any squad CAN win depending on how the dice rolls go. But the better options you include the less you have to depend on outright luck to achieve victory, and IMO that should be the goal all the time.
Think how much better squads like those would do if you included the better options instead.
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I'm also not saying that every squad can be competitive. A 200pt. squad consisting entirely of Klatooinian Enforcers is going to get creamed. But a Klatooinian Enforcer added in to an otherwise competitive squad isn't going to make it suddenly uncompetitive.
Characters like the Ithorian Commander, the Verpine Tech, etc. have really helped make pieces that were horrible before (Leia Captive, for instance) able to played in a competitive squad. Again, an Aqualish Assassin and 2 Ugnaughts is probably a better use of 13 points than Leia Captive, but I think one could use Leia Captive in a squad instead and still be competitive.
The "at every point level" part makes things tougher (and this is the main part I'm still trying to decide in my head). And in order for that to work, you have to assume huge-friendly maps at all point levels. But on a huge-friendly map, I think even a Reek at 100pts. could work well with the right support. The challenge is finding the support. Fitting the really big guys into 100 is hard (Revan, I'm looking in your direction), but I think it might be doable.
So what's the most worthless character that you feel can never be used competitively?
There are several that will consistently fail to squads with better-designed cohesion. For example:
Squad A
37 IG-88 (RS)
25 Bespin Guard x5
72 General Windu
08 Wicket
06 Ewok x2
Does this squad look vaguely familiar? It should. Look closer...
Squad B
37 Grand Admiral Thrawn
25 Stormtrooper x5
71 Lord Vader
08 Mas Amedda
06 Ugnaught x3
Which would you rather play? I hope you get my point. You can't just swap superior pieces for inferior options and expect to do as well as you would if you maximized the squad potential. All things being equal, squad B will beat squad A 99 times out of 100.
So no, not every piece can be included in a competitive squad at any point level and still win. I have a saying: Garbage in, garbage out, meaning that if you add junk elements to your squad, deck, warband, whatever, you aren't going to perform very well. At least, not consistently.