logo

All times are UTC - 6 hours

Mark forums read


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 

Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Comments from a Vset 5 designer
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:50 pm 
Hall of Fame Member
Hall of Fame Member
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:22 pm
Posts: 4982
So I was fortunate enough to be involved in Vset 5 design. At the beginning of the design process it seemed that other experienced designers where going to be involved leaving me spectating but as real life intervened I ended up being brought in as a designer on the set.

As a result i came in at a reasonably advanced stage. The set list was around 90% done and a lot of preliminary stats were penciled by Sithborg, Boris, Echo and particularly in the micro set that was initially Tint and Brads (the_celestial_warrior) project before they became full designers on the entire set around about the time I joined. Coming in at this stage made it for a different experience from the other sets i've been heavily involved in as there were fewer areas to "mold" to my ideas about the game and a lot of my experience dealt with tweaking and fine tuning designs to what I felt was more consistent with WotCs design strategy to give the game continuity. In the end the main designers were me, scott, Brad and TinT

Another aspect of the design of Vset 5 that altered the process was the introduction of a playtest commitee which would oversee the playtesting and they have a top-secret facebook page to scheme against the designers. Just Kidding, this actually made the testing of figures a more fluid process with figures being tested by the committee and a separate forum was made to discuss the tests and alter the designs if needed. The committee consisted of many previous desingers (Urban Jedi, Echo, Weeks, Les) and some very proactive playtesters (Ultrastar, Timmerb123, Wacoblaze and greentime).

The result of all this was that the thread of ideas for Vset 5 came from a wide variety of sources, more than any other set i've been involved with. Mainly the designers penciled the stats but there were a lot of ideas implemented from the playtest committee and elsewhere that ended up in the set. Examples include Ultrastar having big input into several figs, Cad Bane especially; Timmerb also had strong involvement in lots of figs including watto, vong and Mando pieces, Jake K (neither PT committee or designer) basically brainstormed Sith Battle manipulation and renso'lare.

Even with the myriad of sources that contributed, i feel this set has a lot of cohesion and the process was surprisingly smooth.

The Old Republic video game is heavily represented in both the microset and main set and its an exemplary job IMO done by Brad and TinT of converting pieces from one game source to another. The microset has a lot of the uniques from the video game and the main set has several highcosted non-uniques that are supposed to represent the player classes you can choose in the Video game. It was debated for a time whether these would be unique "non-uniques" and ended up having single names (Smuggler/juggernaguht) to identify that fact. They pair well with their in game counterparts but were kept non-unique because their cost usually makes it hard to fit more than one in a 200 point skirmish but there are certain builds you can use with more than one both. Several of these builds are t1.5 or higher, some have great mass battle contributions and others are just great theme.

Scott seemed to make it his mission to bring back pieces from the dead in this set and his goal was undoubtedly achieved. Who would have thought, ever, that Kyle Katarn (the crap kyle) is now a valid choice as a playable piece? Much kudos. Severence Taan is a great gift to huge figs and I personally love his answer to the age old "Nien Numb should be a pilot!". If a fig helps an older one see play you can probably bank that Scott was instrumental in its design.

Improvements to the competitive game focused a lot on Vong and Mando's. Both factions got some great tools that hopefully will push them into top 8 status but there is something there for each faction. There was a particular emphasis on improving the odds of getting attacks through some of the ridiculous defenses out there now. Save rolls are at a peak at the moment and it slows games. Lowering the likelyhood of rolling them (or failing them) should allow tournaments to be more smooth.

Mando's get another movement breaker that will give them more of a "pod" like feel where you can split off from the main force with a flanking maneuver without losing your valuble CE's. They also get some great tech, and the flametrooper just looks like awesome crowd/bodyguard counters.
Vong get boosts to several build types; vong warriors get a push so perhaps we can start to see more of the unstoppable warrior swarms that they should be known for as well as methods to bring in a more powerful shooters to prevent being outgunned so often. Even the NR vong get a boost this set which will be interesting to see where they go from there.

Next up, the Sith got some great tools that should begin to see them being less reliant on Revan SL. Cadeus is a brutal piece with his SBM, Aing Tii and Makashi. He is basically the republics worst nightmare. But Wyyrlock with his booming voice brings Sid Holo back big time for cheap zap swarms and a boost to Bandons powerful CE. The Jugernaught also opens up fearsome Sith Tank squads that seem right in line with their ethos.

OR was dominated by the TOR figures but the jedi exile makes another appearance with a big defensive boost for the NU jedi in the faction, killing them just got even harder and the covenant get their leader, a force pool and some heavy duty init control.

The republic get some heavy wookiee love (its really not wise to anger the elites), and a couple of cool tools. Cheap fast swapper and an arrogant jedi who is designed to blow open the republic build strategy as it behooves you to put as many obscure cheap jedi on the squad as possible.

Seps get serious bounty hunter love. The sep "living" game has generally struggled to show up so Cad brings it large. Add in a couple of bounty hunters and a new "young" Aurra and there are some scary builds.

Rebels got some pilot help, some unblockable potential, reinforcements, cheap shooters and more awesome Spec Force tech courtesy of Echo. Lots of tools. They share Jan ors and Mon mothma with the NR keeping up the theme started by WotC.
NR got Luke (nuff said IMO), and boosts for Kyle courtesy of the rebels keeping the NR rebel sharing flavor. For fun and theme the witches give good boosts to Rancors if your feeling beastly.

Empire focused on Legacy with the imperial knights getting good defensive boosting and a new emperor, as well as perhaps the beginning of a "Reborn" subfaction.

Lastly the Fringe got some figures that i think have been a long time coming. Watto (who should've been Gha Nacht IMO) took a more "slave" approach allowing any faction to turn their best follower savage (and thus access to overwhelming force) as well as bringing his chance cubes into play.
Marn is a personal favorite using bribery and con artist to boost himself, jarel and Zayne as well as the little people he bribes. I think he captures the swindling snivvian accurately.
Uria Fenn is an interesting fringe piece with some minor crowd control that adds to the Zaan subfaction and there are a couple of Lobot tools in the fringe for some issues that needed at least a counter.

I had a lot of fun in the design of the set and would like to thank all involved for making the process what it was, Yes it was difficult and took a lot of time but the result is very pleasing to me, i hope it is to you. It was great designing with Brad, Scott and Trevor and i appreciate all the helpful advice and commentary from the play testers.

Obviously, there is a need to thank Les profusely for completing the cards at the last minute. We all owe you a beer buddy.

Even though the pool of contributors was relatively small compared to the community that still plays the game, it really did start to feel like a community project which I feel is where the future of the game lies.


I really should thank Swinefeld as well for his proofing at the last minute.

He caught so many errors he really deserves his praise.

_________________
Image
Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  

Offline
 Post subject: Re: Comments from a Vset 5 designer
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:55 pm 
Imperial Dignitaries
Imperial Dignitaries
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:42 pm
Posts: 3599
Location: New Jersey
Well said, Deri! +1 to all of it, especially the parts where you gave shout-outs to the non-Designers who played a big role in the production of this set. This is my first time working as a Designer, and it gave me an increased appreciation for all the work that goes on behind the scenes on a project of this magnitude.

And FYI, as one of the rookie designers, I want to let everyone know that having an experienced and meta-savvy guy like Deri to work with was a huge privilege. Thanks Deri, and thanks everyone!

_________________
"Don't give the tool more credit than the master." --Weeks
ImageImage


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  

Offline
 Post subject: Re: Comments from a Vset 5 designer
PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:53 pm 
Master of the Order
Master of the Order
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:08 pm
Posts: 8394
Great write-up, and great set! I was thrilled to see the very last piece I ever design make it completely through playtesting with only his drawback removed. That piece, of course, was Coleman Trebor. I am glad to see the game is in very capable hands going forward!

I have enjoyed my time as a designer, but life has changed all around me, both internally and externally and sadly, I no longer have the time or ability to put into stat design that I once did. I look forward to playing a few games with the v-set cards at GenCon, though. :)

_________________
Click here to check out all the people who have realized the truth. Someday you will, too.

"I would really, really like to not have anything else happen at the end of the round other than things just ending." -- Sithborg


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  

Offline
 Post subject: Re: Comments from a Vset 5 designer
PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:03 pm 
Droid Army Commander
Droid Army Commander
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:57 am
Posts: 1450
Location: Morris, MN
Grand Moff Boris wrote:
Great write-up, and great set! I was thrilled to see the very last piece I ever design make it completely through playtesting with only his drawback removed. That piece, of course, was Coleman Trebor. I am glad to see the game is in very capable hands going forward!

I have enjoyed my time as a designer, but life has changed all around me, both internally and externally and sadly, I no longer have the time or ability to put into stat design that I once did. I look forward to playing a few games with the v-set cards at GenCon, though. :)


Hopefully in V-set 10 we can have your expertise in design again. :)

I enjoyed the ones you did design, and its you will be missed. People who have played the game since the beginning of star wars minis usually make for the best designers.

_________________
Image

Aliit ori'shya tal'din ("Family is more than Blood")
To learn Mandalorian, go to http://www.karentraviss.com/html/mando.htm.

Image


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 6 hours

Mark forums read

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group
Jedi Knights style by Scott Stubblefield