Grand Moff Boris wrote:
LoboStele wrote:
Unless you're claiming that pieces under the influence of ABM would never get their +10 against FI characters? I'll have to re-read the ability, but I don't see how you could come to that conclusion. ABM is buffing your own allies, just like Sith Rage would. So it should be usable against FI enemies.
No, Jonny is right. Force Immune characters ignore the damage bonus from ABM. Me and Deri knew that going into it. Force Immune characters also ignore the +4/-4 restrictions from Atris.
Just to clarify here, a force immune character would not get the +10 dmg bonus from ABM.
However, a character boosted by ABM WOULD get the +10 dmg against FI characters because its working like sith rage and lightsaber throw; it is boosting the attacker not the defender. The CEs of the FI character wouldn't get disrupted but the allies of ABM do get a boost regardless of what you attack. There is no precedent set by Force abilities that contradicts the rules set by sith rage etc/
Likewise, Force meditation allows characters to get boosts when attacking FI characters, but a FI character can't get the boost.
I was getting confused with the tangents during the discussion, so i hope this clarifies it for people.
Its fairly clear if you use the rule precedences already established. Force abilities are force powers that are subject to a longer period of time with a couple of notable differences such as they can only be cancelled upon "casting". There has already been a version of a Force Ability "Dark force spirit"; but seeing as the character gets removed for it to have an effect and its the only thing like it until DotF there probably wasn't any reason for WotC to define it as a class as we did.
Coming back to the original question.
Vongsence works on Yuzzhan Vong characters i.e. characters of the Yuzzhan Vong faction. It doesn't matter where the character is if its Vong and Force immune, Jacen can zap them. This will also apply to any future YV characters that happen to become force immune somehow but originally arn't.
If it changes faction then as the rule stands at the moment this will negate Jacens VS. The ossus is the only figure that can change faction so its the stand out. Its perhaps to be considered as another advantage to run the ossus for NR. Its a slightly annoying eventuality but pretty minor in the scope of things
If we (the community) really do want to change it the quickest and dirtiest way to errata the ability is to make this glossary change.
Vongsense: Ignore Force Immunity of Yuuzhan Vong enemies and enemies whos name contain Yuuzhan Vong.
However, this now becomes similar to Gree and the Wookiee Hunter AT-ST debacle as there is a possibility that the YH1 might get som odd interaction.
We could do as Brad says and make a YV special ability but then you have to put out an extensive errata stating that many cards have this SA (or just a blanket on that all figures from the YV faction have the SA Yuuzhan Vong).
My feeling was just to leave it as is.