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 Post subject: Saga Question: Dual Weapon Mastery/Flourish
PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:22 pm 
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OK, so every now and then I feel the need to pump some life into this section of the forums here. So, got a question for you other RPGers out there.

Dual Weapon Mastery 1 allows you to take a full round action, using two light weapons, and make an attack with each weapon, but at a penalty of only -5, instead of the normal -10 for attacking twice.

The Melee Duelist class has a talent called Dual Weapon Flourish 1 which says that whenever you make an attack as a standard action with a light melee weapon, that you can make a free attack with a light melee weapon in the other hand.

Now, my question is this....does that stack in some way with Dual Weapon Mastery? You have to have DWM 1 in order to get DWF 1, but technically, when you're using DWM, you are doing a full round action, not just an attack as a standard action. I'm thinking that this actually does NOT give you 3 attacks, but just lets you make 2 attacks on the move all the time, without all the crazy penalties.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:28 pm 
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I'd have to say 2 attacks on the move at -5.

My logic:

Characters normally can take two attacks as a full round action at -10 to all attacks.

Characters with DWM 1 have it reduced to -5.

Characters with DWM and DWF have it reduced to -5 and to a standard/free action

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:38 pm 
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The_Celestial_Warrior wrote:
I'd have to say 2 attacks on the move at -5.

My logic:

Characters normally can take two attacks as a full round action at -10 to all attacks.

Characters with DWM 1 have it reduced to -5.

Characters with DWM and DWF have it reduced to -5 and to a standard/free action


Yeah, that's what I'm starting to think as well. Basically just lets you do it on the move, instead of standing still.

I don't understand how DWF 2 works then though. DWF2 says that you make a full-round attack as a standard action instead of a full round action. How is that different from the other attack being a free action? Is there some other bonus that I'm not aware of?

I really need to look at picking up Acrobatic Strike then for my Duelist. Tumble first, then attack with the first one being a huge bonus to hit. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:43 pm 
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LoboStele wrote:
The_Celestial_Warrior wrote:
I'd have to say 2 attacks on the move at -5.

My logic:

Characters normally can take two attacks as a full round action at -10 to all attacks.

Characters with DWM 1 have it reduced to -5.

Characters with DWM and DWF have it reduced to -5 and to a standard/free action


Yeah, that's what I'm starting to think as well. Basically just lets you do it on the move, instead of standing still.

I don't understand how DWF 2 works then though. DWF2 says that you make a full-round attack as a standard action instead of a full round action. How is that different from the other attack being a free action? Is there some other bonus that I'm not aware of?

I really need to look at picking up Acrobatic Strike then for my Duelist. Tumble first, then attack with the first one being a huge bonus to hit. :)



Off the top of my head, it's referring to attacks beyond 2. This is the melee version of my "Rex" I played at Gencon. What book sis the Melee Duelist in? I can look closer in there.

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LoboStele wrote:
technically, when you're using DWM, you are doing a full round action, not just an attack as a standard action.


This is exactly the case, a full round action is not the same thing as a standard action.


As for DWF2 it mostly applies if you have Double/Triple Attack in which Case you'd get to make 3-4 attacks as your standard action (though if there are any other feats/talents that provide bonuses to full round action they would apply here, and not for DWF1).


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Duelist stuff is all in KOTOR

So, DWF2 would really only apply if you have BOTH Dual Weapon Mastery AND Double/Triple Attack, eh? I can understand that then, I guess. That really would be a crazy number of attacks, lol.

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