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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:08 pm 
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Killing a helpless creature falls into the major transgression so increases a characters DSS. I use the guidelines from Jedi Counseling 111 when deciding if the action fall into the above category. I have attached a PDF of the web page.

In the situation you were in there was a way for the hero's not have to be the ones killing him. Like the situation with the swoop gang, there was another way out.

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Now that the scene is in the past. When I played though this encounter about six months ago, we suggested that the audience chamber was too classy a place to dirty with the blood of scum, and that an execution should be made more public. Made a Persuasion check and went to dinner as Guards dragged the prisoner away.


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As I said before, I am arguing for future referense, not current, I accept the DSP


The link you sent listed the following as one of the conditions for it to be a blatantly evil act.
"Was the action unnecessary to protect yourself or another character from an immediate, obvious threat?"

From my characters perspective (not knowing Nuu whatever is a shape shifter or any other meaningful way to avoid doing as he was told) it was not avoidable without risking the mission and everybody involved (the party). That would make it questionably evil. Also, I submit from the last paragraph "Is a threat imminent and real, or is the
character merely trying to justify unnecessary aggression?" I would say the threat was very imminent and real.

Still, as I said, I accept the DSP, as questionably evil is up to the GM's discretion. I just want it a little more defined what qualifies so I can try harder to avoid one in the future.


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The option you chose was already taken off the table, however, as Nuu whatever had already declared the guy dead and the "dead: body was about to be removed. We had also already displeased the hutt by not complying with his request. Hence why my character shot (again, if he had known Nuu whatever was a shape shifter it might have been different but he didn't.)

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I also couldn't help but notice, ANY coup de gras would be questionably evil by the definitions given in the PDF.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:55 pm 
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I also couldn't help but notice, ANY coup de gras would be questionably evil by the definitions given in the PDF.

Per the rules as written, I believe you are correct.

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I am holding action waiting for trevors characters response.

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Yay free exp ^^

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I am sorry that there was no post. Ill post later today when the story moves along a little more. I really think the xp needs to be 48 hours with the holidays come up. I work retail on the weekends and some during the week for the holidays. So I am going to be limited at posting.


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We can go to a 48 hour posting deadline through January 1, 2012 if that is the group consensuses.

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i'll go for that.


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I didn't even know there was a deadline. 48 hours sounds fine to me though.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:02 pm 
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Jester007 I checked your level up and found some errors. Specifically: one missing FP, there should be a second entry under ranged for welding both blasters, Quick draw is a special action, you do not gain resistance to heat/cold unless you have the all-temperature cloak on, and i believe that you need two hip holsters to hold your guns each cost 25 credits and weighs 0.5 kg. I have made all the changes below.

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Destiny 3; Force 7
Init +10; Senses Perception +9
Languages Basic, Hutesse

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 15), Fort 19, Will 16
hp 66; Threshold 19

Speed 6 squares
Melee by weapon +3
Ranged heavy blaster pistol +9 (3d8+4) or
Ranged heavy blaster pistol +4 (3d8+4) and heavy blaster pistol +4 (3d8+4)
Base Atk +4; Grp +7
Atk Options Dual Weapon Mastery, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot
Special Actions Quick Draw, Tough as Nails

Abilities Str 8, Dex 17, Con 17, Int 12, Wis 14, Cha 8
Talents Tough as Nails, Weapon Specialization (pistols)
Feats Armor Proficiency (light, medium), Dual Weapon Mastery I, Point Blank Shot, Precise Shot, Weapon Focus (pistols), Weapon Proficiency (pistols, rifles, simple weapons), Quick Draw
Skills Endurance +10, Initiative +10, Mechanics +8, Perception +9, Pilot +10
Possessions credit chip (5,325 credits), 2 Quick Draw heavy blaster pistols (tech specialist mod; +1 attack) in hip holsters, utility belt (3 day food supply, medpac, tool kit, 4 power packs, energy cell, 2 glow rods, comlink, liquid cable dispenser), 2 aquata breathers, bandolier, 7 ration packs, Weapons Permits (2 hvy. blaster).
Not carried: all-temperature cloak, breath mask with 3 atmosphere canisters, power recharger
Load 12.1kg / 16kg / 32kg


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I didn't even know there was a deadline. 48 hours sounds fine to me though.

The first post of this thread under the Play-by-Post section. And you not realizing explains why you are the farthest in the hole XP wise (only 100).

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:05 am 
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spacemanspiff I reviewed your level up. I only found three minor things: You did not list your force points or destiny points, there was a +2 to perception that I missed in the first review that I cannot figure out where it is coming from, and I added a hip holster for the pistol.

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Destiny 4 (Education); Force 7
Init +9; Senses Perception +10
Languages Basic, Selkath

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 16), Fort 18, Will 17
hp 54; Threshold 18
Immune drowning

Speed 6 squares
Melee by weapon +4
Ranged stun pistol +6 (3d6+2 stun)
Base Atk +4; Grp +6
Atk Options Assured Attack
Special Actions Cycle of Harmony, Tyia Adept
Force Powers Known (Use The Force +16) energy resistance, mind trick, vital transfer (2)

Abilities Str 10, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 12, Wis 16, Cha 18
Special Qualities able healer, breathe underwater, expert swimmer
Talents Cycle of Harmony, Tyia Adept
Feats Armor Proficiency (light, medium), Assured Attack, Force Sensitivity, Force Training, Skill Focus (Use the Force), Weapon Proficiency (pistols, rifles, simple weapons)
Skills Initiative +9, Perception +10, Swim +7 (may reroll but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse; may take 10 even when distracted or threatened), Use the Force +16
Possessions credit chip (7,070 credits), earbud comlink, field kit (2 condensing canteens, sunshield roll, 7 day food supply, 24 filters, 12 atmospher canisters, 2 glow rods, 2 breath masks, all-temperature cloak), marine armor (+5 armor, +2 equipment), stun pistol in hip holster, Body Armor Permit (marine armor), Weapons Permit (stun pistol)
Load 23.1kg / 25kg / 50kg

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I guess i cant figure where the +2 Perception came from either. I just blindly copied and pasted the Excel Stat Block. I dont see why it gave me a +2. Oh well though. Oh and sorry for being tardy in posting, I've been gone for work sporadically for the last 2 weeks (this last time I was gone from Monday to Wednesday).


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:09 am 
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Just PM me before hand and I will not deduct XP for not posting.

On that note I have changed how I do experience. I am now awarding XP for Role Playing / Posting (in addition to the penalty). This change is retroactive, so I went through all the post to current and updated everyone's experience. In addition, starting November 22nd I have changed the 24 hour post requirement to 48 hours till January 2, 2012 to accommodate Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years, and everything associated with the holidays.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:24 am 
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obikenobi1 I reviewed your level-up. I found some things that need to be corrected: Your character also had a +2 perception that I now believe is a sheet error, he should have 7 FP, I added Mando'a because of your background and you still have one unassigned language, I also added two hip holsters to hold your blaster and pistol. You can change one or both to concealed if you want.

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Init +9; Senses Perception +7
Languages Basic, Clawdite, Mando'a, 1 unassigned

Defenses Ref 19 (flat-footed 16), Fort 15, Will 14
hp 42; Threshold 15

Speed 6 squares
Melee stun baton +6 (2d6+5) or
Melee shockboxing gloves +6 (1d6+6) or
Melee vibrodagger +1 (2d4+5)
Ranged stun pistol +5 (3d6+2 stun) or
Ranged blaster pistol +5 (3d6+2)
Base Atk +3; Grp +6
Atk Options K'tara Training
Special Actions shapeshift

Abilities Str 16, Dex 14, Con 10, Int 14, Wis 10, Cha 12
Special Qualities shapeshift
Talents Hidden Movement, Improved Stealth
Feats K'tara Training, Martial Arts I, Skill Focus (Stealth), Skill Training (Deception), Weapon Proficiency (pistols, rifles, simple weapons)
Primary Skills Climb +10, Deception +8, Initiative +9, Mechanics +9, Perception +7, Pilot +9, Stealth +14 (may reroll but must keep the result of the reroll even if worse), Survival +7
Secondary Skills Acrobatics +4, Endurance +2, Gather Information +3, Jump +5, Knowledge (any) +4, Persuasion +3, Ride +4, Swim +5, Treat Injury +2, Use Computer +4
Possessions blaster pistol, Bothan shockboxing gloves, credit chip (11,747 credits), 2 hip holsters, stun baton, stun pistol, vibrodagger, Weapons Permit (shockboxing gloves, stun pistol, blaster pistol)
Load 5.1kg / 64kg / 128kg


[edit] I found the error in the excel sheet. Unfortunately the full fix is worse than the problem. The ban-aid is to go to the 'Bonus' tab and put a -2 in the box next to Perception.

[edit2] Jonny, I looked at your level up, Just some minor changes: you forgot the FP/Destiny points, Perception should be +7 not +9 (excel error), I added a holster (25 credits and 0.5kg), and your lifting/carrying limits changed. With all the changes to your character I lost his destiny, what is it?
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Destiny 4; Force 7
Init +3; Senses Perception +7
Languages Basic, Bocce, Houk, Huttese

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 17), Fort 19, Will 14; Evasion
hp 64; Threshold 19

Speed 6 squares
Melee vibro-ax +7 (2d10+8) or
Melee vibro-ax +7 (2d10+12) with both hands or
Melee vibro-ax +11 (2d10+14) with Powerful Charge
Ranged blaster pistol +4 (3d6+2)
Base Atk +3; Grp +7
Atk Options Maniacal Charge, Power Attack, Powerful Charge
Special Actions Commanding Presence, Feared Warrior

Abilities Str 19, Dex 13, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 10, Cha 6
Special Qualities physical intimidation
Talents Commanding Presence, Evasion, Feared Warrior
Feats Armor Proficiency (light, medium), Maniacal Charge, Power Attack, Powerful Charge, Skill Training (Knowledge [galactic lore]), Weapon Proficiency (advanced melee, pistols, simple weapons)
Skills Endurance +10, Knowledge (galactic lore) +9, Perception +7, Persuasion +5 (+11 to intimidate), Pilot +8, Survival +7
Possessions blaster pistol in hip holster, credit chip (9,965 credits), utility belt (3 day food supply, medpac, tool kit, power pack, 2 energy cells, glow rod, comlink, liquid cable dispenser), vibro-ax (tech specialist mod; +2 damage), field kit (2 condensing canteens, sunshield roll, 7 day food supply, 24 filters, 12 atmospher canisters, 2 glow rods, 2 breath masks, all-temperature cloak), jet pack, Weapons Permit (vibro-ax, blaster pistol)
Load 51.6kg / 90.3kg / 180.5kg

Age 17; Hair Color Bald ; Eye Color Yellow ; Height 2.4m; Weight 125 kg

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:22 am 
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I have a major project due Thursday. I will have to respond after it is completed. Sorry for the delay.

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I finished reviewing the level up-ups today at lunch time:

Jedi_Master, Your perception was +2 high because of Excel, Sith is not available as a language unless you can come up with a really good reason you have it, and I added your holster.
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Medium Human noble 4
Destiny 4; Force 7; Dark Side 1
Init +2; Senses Perception +6
Languages Basic, Binary, Bocce, Huttese, Jawa, Jawa Trade Language, Ryl, Selkath, Shyriiwook, 1 Unassigned

Defenses Ref 19 (flat-footed 15), Fort 14, Will 20
hp 30; Threshold 20

Speed 6 squares
Melee by weapon +2
Ranged DT-12 heavy blaster pistol +3 (4d6+2)
Base Atk +3; Grp +3
Special Actions Stand Tall

Abilities Str 8, Dex 10, Con 10, Int 18, Wis 8, Cha 18
Talents Connections, Wealth
Feats Fight Through Pain, Force of Personality, Friends in Low Places, Linguist, Predictive Defense, Stand Tall, Weapon Proficiency (pistols, simple weapons)
Skills Deception +11, Gather Information +11, Knowledge (bureaucracy) +11 (may use Gather Information +11 to acquire licenses for restricted or military goods instead), Knowledge (galactic lore) +11, Knowledge (life sciences) +11, Knowledge (physical sciences) +11, Knowledge (social sciences) +11, Knowledge (technology) +11, Perception +6, Persuasion +11, Use Computer +11
Possessions credit chip (45,945 credits), datapad, DT-12 heavy blaster pistol with 2 spare power packs, earbud comlink, encrypted long-range comlink with holo capability, field kit (2 condensing canteens, sunshield roll, 7 day food supply, 24 filters, 12 atmospher canisters, 2 glow rods, 2 breath masks, all-temperature cloak), hip holster, holorecorder, mesh tape, Not carried (power generator, power recharger)
Load 14.9kg / 16kg / 32kg

sweeteyes55, Perception was off ::shakes head::, I added Ranged attack lines for all the weapons you have, I also adjusted your gernades, and removed the medpack that you used, which changed your load.
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Medium Human soldier 4
Destiny 4 (Destruction); Force 7
Init +10; Senses Perception +7
Languages Basic, Bocce, Jawa, Jawa Trade Language

Defenses Ref 18 (flat-footed 15), Fort 16, Will 14
hp 54; Threshold 16

Speed 6 squares
Melee by weapon +5
Ranged DLT-20A "Longbarrel" blaster rifle +7 (3d10+2) or
Ranged DLT-20A "Longbarrel" blaster rifle +2 (3d10+2) with autofire or
Ranged grenade launcher +7 (4d6+2, 2-square burst) or
Ranged frag grenade +7 (4d6+2, 2-square burst)
Base Atk +4; Grp +7
Atk Options autofire (DLT-20A "Longbarrel" blaster rifle), Bantha Herder, Forceful Blast

Abilities Str 12, Dex 17, Con 10, Int 17, Wis 10, Cha 10
Talents Battlefield Remedy, Demolitionist
Feats Armor Proficiency (light, medium), Bantha Herder, Forceful Blast, Scavenger, Tech Specialist, Weapon Proficiency (heavy weapons, pistols, rifles, simple weapons)
Skills Initiative +10, Knowledge (tactics) +10, Mechanics +10, Perception +7, Pilot +10, Treat Injury +7 (move tended creature +1 step on the condition track when succeeding at First Aid), Use Computer +10
Possessions credit chip (950 credits), DLT-20A "Longbarrel" blaster rifle, earbud comlink, field food processor, 2 field frag grenad, 4 frag grenades, grenade launcher, tool kit
Load 19.8kg / 36kg / 72kg


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TreebeardTheEnt wrote:
Sith is not available as a language unless you can come up with a really good reason you have it, and I added your holster.


Because it is an available language in the books, it is currently a; spoken, written, and documented language (though uncommon), a number of old artifacts are in sith, and I wanted to :P

I really have no reason to know Shriiwook or Ryl either, other than I wanted to know it.

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Because of time line the Sith language is all but dead. If you were associated with a Force using tradition that might have know it, or your character was an archeologist I would say ok. Please pick another language.

[Edit] We are going to need to have a Vassal session in the next week or so. I can change the order of events so the the game is interrupted as little as possible. Since we are so close to Christmas, is there a time that will work for everyone?

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TreebeardTheEnt wrote:
Because of time line the Sith language is all but dead. If you were associated with a Force using tradition that might have know it, or your character was an archeologist I would say ok. Please pick another language.

[Edit] We are going to need to have a Vassal session in the next week or so. I can change the order of events so the the game is interrupted as little as possible. Since we are so close to Christmas, is there a time that will work for everyone?


How about because my destiny is discovery and I was hoping it would involve sith weaponry...

Anyway, I will leave it unassigned until I decide to learn skads language or something.

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TreebeardTheEnt wrote:
We are going to need to have a Vassal session in the next week or so. I can change the order of events so the the game is interrupted as little as possible. Since we are so close to Christmas, is there a time that will work for everyone?

Since this seams to have been missed...

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