billiv15 wrote:
Doesn't fighting defensively require not attacking?
Depends on the version of the game you are playing. Originally there was fighting defensively, where you could attack at -4 for a +2 dodge bonus, and a separate action called total defense, where you could not attack but received a +4 dodge bonus (page 156 and 153 respectfully if you have the old book). When they revised the rules for SAGA they combine these two options and made the rule confusing and put it in two different sections of the book (SAGA page 86 under Melee Defense, and page 152).
billiv15 wrote:
Sorry, I don't really know the feats you are all talking about. Walter, can you make a list of the exact names of each thing you are trying to combine, so I can actually make an educated suggestion?
We as a group are going to be responsible together with the GMs to make these decisions, so make a quick list, and give me what you are trying to do. I don't need/want your entire PM conversation with Jonny. I want what the rules allow, what you are trying to combine, and the logical reasons for it.
Melee Defense wrote:
You are trained at using combat abilities for defense as well as offense.
Prerequisite: Intelligence 13.
Benefit: When you use a standard action to make a melee attack, you can take a penalty of up to -5 on your attack roll and add the same number ( up to +5) as a dodge bonus to your Reflex Defense. This number my not exceed your base attack bonus. The changes to attack rolls and Reflex Defense last until the start of your next turn.
Normal: A character without the Melee Defense feat can fight defensively while using the attack action to take a -5 penalty on his attack roll and gain a +2 dodge to his Reflex Defense.
Because of the way this feat is worded and the fact that the name, description and normal use all refer to fighting defensively, it was my understanding that this was an advanced form of the standard action and thus if a character used Melee Defense they would trigger abilities like counterpunch (or anything else that required you to fight defensivly).
On a different note: Since the group and the GM are collaborating on the House rules are we introducing new proposed ones for review or only working through old and or unwritten ones?