Sithborg wrote:
Yes, the "targetting" part is required to get around Diplomat, which was the main goals of the ability.
And Flight doesn't prevent them from being a target, as AoOs do not target. I need to do a little bit of reading to make sure, but let's go with what the designers intended for now.
yeah for sure, this one seems to have pretty specific uses, where some of the examples we brought up are either outlandish or weren't properly thought out before asking. such as the Light Spirit one.. if we read the glossary vs. card text first we'd have been reminded that it didn't need asking at all.
Although Bill did say it could be made a target.. but for what reason in the first place? lol
so far that seems to be the only unintended effect, but nothing that really matters in the long run yet.
billiv15 wrote:
Ah I see the confusion. The wording isn't clear, and I don't have the FAQ in front of me at the moment to see if this one made the list, but I suspect it didn't (I will recommend to Jason to add something about it though).
The intent of the wording "target or attack" is not to say either, it's to say both. Its specific language to get around diplomat. It is not meant to imply that Indiscriminate can be used on anything other than attacks. It didn't come up in playtesting that I know of, because the only way it would matter would be if Shadao wanted to use Yomin's Spit Poison on a diplomat, and you rarely would ever want to waste Shadao on a diplomat
If you read the actual wording of diplomat, I think the confusion will end.
As for the flight issue, this is a case where the semantics totally do matter. There was another issue about flight a couple of years ago that was almost exactly the same thing (although I don't remember what ability it was). The point was made that flight never gets to the AoO part of a turn at all, it's preempted well before that in the order of events because of the way its worded.
Think of it this way.
AoO's trigger when an adjacent character moves.
A Flight character moves without even considering anything to be adjacent.
Point being, indiscriminate in this hypothetical will never get around flight, and there is a precedent, I just can't remember it at the moment (I'm hoping Jason remembers, as I was arguing with him about it way back when lol).
Some of the confusion in reference to flight also had to do with the Seers reflexes ability, but that one also specifically said it was meant for abilities that cause a character to be ignored, such as flight and wall climber. Going back now and looking at the Seer I see where it's very different than how indiscriminate works, and also where it altered my thinking for this one "just a tad"