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Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to double speed, then attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity.

NickName wrote:

I'd like to request that the word "adjacent" get added before legal ("every adjacent legal target" - every adjacent enemy would work to, but that would bypass diplomat whereas they other way wouldn't). While it seems insignificant (and even is at this point in time), if there would ever be a way to remove melee attack (not going to happen I'm sure), or if this ability would fit on a figure that shouldn't have melee attack (certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely), then it creates an very odd scenario that would allow an attack against enemies multiple squares away pushing them.

NickName wrote:

Lord_Ball wrote:

NickName wrote:

No need to limit Design from future possibilities. This is how they want it.

As for getting around diplomat, I was referring to if it said "attack every adjacent enemy" - which would be like LS Sweep and wouldn't "target".

Lord_Ball wrote:

As for getting around diplomat, I was referring to if it said "attack every adjacent enemy" - which would be like LS Sweep and wouldn't "target".

Diplomats can't be "targeted" or "attacked" so you have it wrong there.

That's fine (odd, but fine), it was a simple request based on the abilities intent.

Force Powers

Force abilities: Some characters have Force powers that remain in effect beyond that character's turn. These are called Force abilities. A Force ability remains active for the designated time. Force abilities cannot be cancelled unless the character is defeated, or at the moment the ability is activated (if a character with a Force canceling power like Force Absorb or Force Defense is within the required range at the time of activation). Force abilities that don't last until the end of the skirmish are negated prematurely if the character using it rolls a save, spends Force points, makes an attack, or is dealt damage. The ability immediately ends if the character joins an opponent's squad. Characters with Force Immunity ignore Force abilities.

Force Withdrawal: (Force; 1 Force point) Until the start of this character’s next turn or until it spends a Force point, it gains Force Immunity. This ability is useable only on this character’s turn. (Italics added)

That was a bit of a surprise to see Telepathic Insight limited to enemy commander effects. I am wondering the cause for it being limited as such; it is in some cases useful to use your own commander effect from your Fringe character if it applies to Fringe allies/followers. I used this (before I saw this thread) to steal Jabba CL's since I had both Fringe and YV characters and did not want to put both Jabba and Advance Officer in.
Not like it's any big deal, but I don't think it needs to be limited to enemy commander effects. I can't think of a CE that you could put in there that affects Fringe specifically that would be too broken, and I don't think allowing your allies' to be used messes up the SW feel either.

Author:	NickName [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:35 am ]
Post subject:	Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
A PDF download version is coming in the future. This should help out with rules questions until it's ready. Errata now included, highlighted in gold. ~~~ Special Abilities Advanced Shields [#]: When this character would take damage from any source, make [#] saves, each needing 6 to succeed. For each successful save, reduce the damage dealt by 10. This ability is resolved only after all Bodyguard decisions have been made. Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to twice its speed and, after moving, attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. It must move at least 1 square to use this special ability. Beskar’gam: When this character would take damage, it makes a save of 11. If the save is successful, reduce the damage dealt by 10. Resolve this ability only after all Bodyguard decisions have been made. Black Ops: Enemy commander effects that alter the number of activations per phase have no effect. Close-Range Targeting Computer: This character gets +10 bonus to Damage against an adjacent enemy. This bonus applies only to characters that have a Damage value greater than 0. Dark Spirit: This character is an insubstantial spirit of pure Force. It ignores all terrain and can move through enemy characters (and enemy characters can move through it), as long as no character ends its move in the same space as another character. It cannot end its turn in a wall or solid object (a space bordered by magenta lines). It does not provide cover, and it cannot open doors nor hold them open. It cannot attack or be damaged, and does not count as a legal target, as the nearest enemy, or as adjacent to other characters. This character cannot score victory points for occupying specified areas in scenarios that include such victory conditions. It is not affected by commander effects. During setup, choose a Unique allied character with a Force rating. That ally gains Force Renewal 1 and Sith Rage as long as it is within 4 squares of this character. This character is defeated if the chosen ally is defeated. Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, an enemy within 6 squares can spend 1 Force point to defeat this character. This character can avoid this effect with a save of 11. Distraction: Enemy commander effects have no effect on enemy characters adjacent to this character. An adjacent enemy commander has its commander effects suppressed. (It still counts as a commander.) Drain Force: Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, this character can target an enemy with a Force rating up to 2 squares away. The target loses 1 Force point and this character gains 1 Force point; this can bring the character’s Force point total above its starting number. The target must have at least 1 Force point remaining. Droid Hunter: +4 Attack and +10 Damage against Droid enemies. Embrace of Pain: For each 10 damage currently on this character, it gets +1 Attack and +1 Defense. Expert Harpoon Gunner: Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, a target enemy within 6 squares with Mounted Weapon cannot move this round. The enemy can avoid the effect with a save of 16. If the save is less than 11, the target enemy also has –4 Defense and automatically fails saves the rest of the round. Gambler’s Luck: Once per turn, this character can reroll an attack, adding +4 to the result. If the attack misses, this character takes 10 damage. Geonosian: A Geonosian is any character with the word “Geonosian” in its name or that has the Geonosian special ability. Indiscriminate: When this character attacks an adjacent enemy, it ignores enemy abilities and commander effects that prevent targeting and attacking. These attacks cannot be redirected. Laminanium Armor: Each time this character activates, it immediately removes 10 damage from itself. Laminanium Armor can’t raise this character’s Hit Points above its starting amount. Leia’s Bodyguard: If a character whose name contains Leia is an adjacent ally and would take damage from an attack, this character can take the damage instead. Jedi Reflexes: This character can make an attack of opportunity against an enemy character that moves into or out of an adjacent square. Characters with special abilities that ignore characters while moving are subject to this ability. Mandalorian Reinforcements [#]: During setup, after seeing your opponent’s squad, you can add up to [#] points of Mandalorian characters to your squad. These characters don’t count toward the cost of your squad, and your opponent doesn’t have to defeat them to win the skirmish. If you are scoring points for defeats, or in a tiebreaker, defeating these extra characters doesn’t score points. Master of Pain: Whenever this character deals damage to a living enemy, the character joins your squad for the rest of the round. The character can avoid this effect with a save of 11. On a roll of a natural 1, the character joins your squad for the rest of the skirmish instead. Master Shaper: Choose one Yuuzhan Vong ally, that character gets +4 Attack and +10 Damage and gains Demolish for the rest of the skirmish. The extra damage is not considered a "bonus" for the purpose of critical hits, but rather a temporary increase to the printed Damage rating, so it can be multiplied by other effects. Reprogram: Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, an adjacent target enemy Droid is considered reprogrammed and joins this character's squad. The enemy may avoid this effect with a save of 11. Each time the reprogrammed character would activate, it must first attempt a save of 11; on a failure, that character takes 10 damage, remains unactivated, rejoins the original squad, and is no longer reprogrammed. Rookie: This character gets +2 Attack and +2 Defense while within 6 squares of an allied commander. Rout: Whenever a character in your squad defeats an enemy commander, move each other enemy within 6 squares of that commander up to its Speed away from the Commander’s square. This movement does not trigger attacks of opportunity. When moving enemy characters, use the same rules as for pushing. Stunning Screech: Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, all living enemies within 2 squares are considered activated this round and cannot make attacks of opportunity this turn. Enemies may avoid both effects with a save of 11. Huge or larger characters ignore both effects. Tactician +[#]: Add +[#] to the initiative roll except on a roll of 1. Abilities based on a particular roll (such as Reserves) and ties are resolved based on the modified number. If a tie requires rerolling initiative, this ability cannot be used again on the reroll. Telepathic Insight: During setup, after seeing your opponent’s squad, you may choose one enemy commander effect. This character gains this commander effect and any faction specific effects become Yuuzhan Vong specific effects. Any character name in the chosen commander effect becomes Yammosk War Coordinator. Twin Blaster [#]: Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, this character can make two attacks against a single enemy target in line of sight, ignoring the Melee Attack restriction, at the specified Attack value, dealing [#] Damage. This counts as a nonmelee attack for purposes of effects such as Lightsaber Deflect and Molecular Shielding. Twin Attack does not stack with this ability, and the second attack is resolved using the same rules as Twin Attack. Vongsense: Ignore Force Immunity of Yuuzhan Vong enemies. Vong Hunter: This character gets a +4 bonus to Attack and a +10 bonus to Damage against Yuuzhan Vong enemies. Yuuzhan Vong War Coordinator: Characters’ (including this character) special abilities that grant bonuses to Yuuzhan Vong within 6 squares have unlimited range. Characters’ (including this character) commander effects normally limited to 6 squares have unlimited range for affected Yuuzhan Vong. You may not have more than one character with Yuuzhan Vong War Coordinator in your squad. Force Powers Force abilities: Some characters have Force powers that remain in effect beyond that character's turn. These are called Force abilities. A Force ability remains active for the designated time. Force abilities cannot be cancelled unless the character is defeated, or at the moment the ability is activated (if a character with a Force canceling power like Force Absorb or Force Defense is within the required range at the time of activation). Force abilities that don't last until the end of the skirmish are negated prematurely if the character using it rolls a save, spends Force points, makes an attack, or is dealt damage. The ability immediately ends if the character joins an opponent's squad. Characters with Force Immunity ignore Force abilities. Advanced Battle Meditation: (Force; 3 Force points) Instead of taking its normal turn, until the start of this character’s next turn, this character gains the following Force ability: Allies get +10 Damage and enemy commander effects have no effect. This damage bonus applies only to characters that have a Damage value greater than 0. Dark Aura: (Force; 1 Force point) Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, for the rest of the skirmish, this character gains the following Force ability: Enemy characters within 6 squares get –4 to all saves. Force Detonate: (Force) When this character is defeated, each character within 4 squares takes 40 damage. Affected characters can make a save of 11 to reduce the damage to 20. Force Dominate: (Force; 2 Force points) Instead of making its normal attack or attacks, this character can take control of a target living character, even one who has already been activated this round. (This does not count as an activation.) The target character takes a turn as though it were on the acting player’s squad but cannot move. It can resist this effect with a save of 11. Determine legal targets normally for enemy characters; any allied character in line of sight is a legal target. Force Meditation: (Force; 1 Force point) Instead of taking its normal turn, for the rest of the round, this character gains the following Force ability: Allied characters get +4 Attack and enemy characters get –4 Attack. Force Withdrawal: (Force; 1 Force point) Until the start of this character’s next turn or until it spends a Force point, it gains Force Immunity. This ability is useable only on this character’s turn.

Author:	Lord_Ball [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
NickName wrote: Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to double speed, then attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. I'd like to request that the word "adjacent" get added before legal ("every adjacent legal target" - every adjacent enemy would work to, but that would bypass diplomat whereas they other way wouldn't). While it seems insignificant (and even is at this point in time), if there would ever be a way to remove melee attack (not going to happen I'm sure), or if this ability would fit on a figure that shouldn't have melee attack (certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely), then it creates an very odd scenario that would allow an attack against enemies multiple squares away pushing them.

Author:	Raylinthegreat [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
thanks for posting the rules insert so promtly

Author:	jonnyb815 [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Lord_Ball wrote: NickName wrote: Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to double speed, then attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. I'd like to request that the word "adjacent" get added before legal ("every adjacent legal target" - every adjacent enemy would work to, but that would bypass diplomat whereas they other way wouldn't). While it seems insignificant (and even is at this point in time), if there would ever be a way to remove melee attack (not going to happen I'm sure), or if this ability would fit on a figure that shouldn't have melee attack (certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely), then it creates an very odd scenario that would allow an attack against enemies multiple squares away pushing them. There is nothing wrong with how it is now. I think you have made your point.

Author:	Sithborg [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Lord_Ball wrote: NickName wrote: Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to double speed, then attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. I'd like to request that the word "adjacent" get added before legal ("every adjacent legal target" - every adjacent enemy would work to, but that would bypass diplomat whereas they other way wouldn't). While it seems insignificant (and even is at this point in time), if there would ever be a way to remove melee attack (not going to happen I'm sure), or if this ability would fit on a figure that shouldn't have melee attack (certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely), then it creates an very odd scenario that would allow an attack against enemies multiple squares away pushing them. No need to limit Design from future possibilities. This is how they want it. And it wouldn't get around Diplomat.

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Author:	Lord_Ball [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Sithborg wrote: Lord_Ball wrote: NickName wrote: Battering Charge +[#]: Instead of taking its normal turn, this character can move up to double speed, then attack every legal target once at +[#] Damage. Push back Huge or smaller characters hit by the attack to 2 squares from this character. This movement does not provoke attacks of opportunity. I'd like to request that the word "adjacent" get added before legal ("every adjacent legal target" - every adjacent enemy would work to, but that would bypass diplomat whereas they other way wouldn't). While it seems insignificant (and even is at this point in time), if there would ever be a way to remove melee attack (not going to happen I'm sure), or if this ability would fit on a figure that shouldn't have melee attack (certainly possible, though perhaps unlikely), then it creates an very odd scenario that would allow an attack against enemies multiple squares away pushing them. No need to limit Design from future possibilities. This is how they want it. That's fine (odd, but fine), it was a simple request based on the abilities intent. If this ability is to ALWAYS be paired with Melee attack, as was implied in the thread, there would be no reason to not incorporate that into the ability, if for no other reason than to create a more complete product. However if there are idea in which that ability would be useable at range (which I can't picture it being legitimately there - probably based mostly on the bonus damage), then the current wording is fine. Again it was a simple request nothing more nothing less. As for getting around diplomat, I was referring to if it said "attack every adjacent enemy" - which would be like LS Sweep and wouldn't "target".

Author:	The_Celestial_Warrior [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Lord_Ball wrote: As for getting around diplomat, I was referring to if it said "attack every adjacent enemy" - which would be like LS Sweep and wouldn't "target". Diplomats can't be "targeted" or "attacked" so you have it wrong there.

Author:	Lord_Ball [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:24 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
The_Celestial_Warrior wrote: Lord_Ball wrote: As for getting around diplomat, I was referring to if it said "attack every adjacent enemy" - which would be like LS Sweep and wouldn't "target". Diplomats can't be "targeted" or "attacked" so you have it wrong there. Thanks, I forgot about that as reading the card only mentions targetting.

Author:	NickName [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Lord_Ball wrote: That's fine (odd, but fine), it was a simple request based on the abilities intent. As Sithborg mentioned, this ability is confirmed to be as the designers intend in this regard.

Author:	TreebeardTheEnt [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
NickName wrote: Force Powers Force abilities: Some characters have Force powers that remain in effect beyond that character's turn. These are called Force abilities. A Force ability remains active for the designated time. Force abilities cannot be cancelled unless the character is defeated, or at the moment the ability is activated (if a character with a Force canceling power like Force Absorb or Force Defense is within the required range at the time of activation). Force abilities that don't last until the end of the skirmish are negated prematurely if the character using it rolls a save, spends Force points, makes an attack, or is dealt damage. The ability immediately ends if the character joins an opponent's squad. Characters with Force Immunity ignore Force abilities. Force Withdrawal: (Force; 1 Force point) Until the start of this character’s next turn or until it spends a Force point, it gains Force Immunity. This ability is useable only on this character’s turn. (Italics added) I believe I understand this but want to verify. Is this wording saying that the only way to end this specific ability is the character's next turn or spending a Force Point; meaning that if it rolls a save, makes an attack, or is dealt damage the ability continues? [edit] Sorry if I asked in the wrong thread.

Author:	Sithborg [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Force Withdrawal is not a Force Ability. So yes.

Author:	NickName [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 7:59 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Anything that is a "Force abiilty" will explicity state "Force ability" in the definition. Force Withdrawal does not. So it does not use anything in the "Force ability" definition.

Author:	TreebeardTheEnt [ Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:01 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Oh, I missed that Forec abilitie is listed in the new powers wording and the definition of Force abilities sounds like it covers any Force power that last longer than the current turn.

Author:	Dimetrodon [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:10 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
is this the final rules sheet, or is it still a work in progress?

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Author:	LoboStele [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 8:30 am ]
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The intent is to put out a nice PDF that looks like it ties in with the rest of the DOTF graphics for the final thing. Not sure when that will happen, but you can pretty well assume that the info in this thread is accurate until the PDF is released.

Author:	swinefeld [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Regarding negation of Force Abilities: Bodyguarding of damage to a character with an active Force ability prevents the ability from being negated, right?

Author:	Grand Moff Boris [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:37 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
Yes.

Author:	Dimetrodon [ Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
some, but not all of it just looks to be straight cut and pasted off the card text, with no extra clarification. Then again not all abilities really need it, something like Beskar'gam is already very straight forward. But an ability like Indiscriminate could use some more wording to clarify for sure what exactly it covers, and if there are any exceptions. I suppose basic questions could be added to the FAQ that nickname posted as well, but if simple answers are located in the glossary, it seems like less work. As thats usually the first place people look for answers. not trying to be too picky or a jerk here or anything, just stating some thoughts.

Author:	AdmiralMotti89 [ Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
That was a bit of a surprise to see Telepathic Insight limited to enemy commander effects. I am wondering the cause for it being limited as such; it is in some cases useful to use your own commander effect from your Fringe character if it applies to Fringe allies/followers. I used this (before I saw this thread) to steal Jabba CL's since I had both Fringe and YV characters and did not want to put both Jabba and Advance Officer in. Not like it's any big deal, but I don't think it needs to be limited to enemy commander effects. I can't think of a CE that you could put in there that affects Fringe specifically that would be too broken, and I don't think allowing your allies' to be used messes up the SW feel either.

Author:	Grand Moff Boris [ Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Destiny of the Force Rules Insert/Glossary
AdmiralMotti89 wrote: That was a bit of a surprise to see Telepathic Insight limited to enemy commander effects. I am wondering the cause for it being limited as such; it is in some cases useful to use your own commander effect from your Fringe character if it applies to Fringe allies/followers. I used this (before I saw this thread) to steal Jabba CL's since I had both Fringe and YV characters and did not want to put both Jabba and Advance Officer in. Not like it's any big deal, but I don't think it needs to be limited to enemy commander effects. I can't think of a CE that you could put in there that affects Fringe specifically that would be too broken, and I don't think allowing your allies' to be used messes up the SW feel either. There may not be a CE like that now, but we didn't want the Yammosk to be another Mouse Droid, meaning a figure that has to be considered every time a commander is designed (or in the MD's case, every time a Droid commander effect is designed). The flavor of the fig is that a Yammosk comes in and reads the mind of its enemies to know what they are doing. For game play balance, they can read teh mind of only 1 enemy.