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 Post subject: GenCon at 200pt, thoughts?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:09 pm 
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With all of the new high cost figures in the sets we have and the ones coming, will GenCon be 200 this year? Personally I believe that it would be in the best interest, for the sake of us being able to use all factions effectively. 200pt games make it much more efficient with all the squad types. While 150 is good, can be rather restrictive. And having the versatility of having those extra points to work with, creating further synergy. I'm truly looking forward to GenCon, but would enjoy it much for if it was 200pt.

What is your opinion on the matter?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:19 pm 
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Actualy i am for 150 because it is a good amount for many squads. 200 can be a hinderance for some squads.

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When the game first came out, the point build it seroiusly recommended was 100. Since then, we have had many higher cost pieces released, and they allowed for 150 and 200 point tournaments to be legal. I doubt we will ever see the G.C. at Gencon raised from 150. There is a 200 point tournament there (for anyone but Dean!!!), as well as many other point totals. I do not see the Championships changing now. In the future, who knows! For now, I highly doubt it.

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I'm not going this year, but I almost always play 150 because it has appropriate synergy and doesn't take an unreasonable amount to time to potentially eliminate all opp pieces. 150 is the magic number for 1 hour games and a couple of highpowered pieces that can actually work together.

I like to skip over 200 points and go right to 400-500 :atat:

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I'm thinking I'll try to go to GenCon this year (will be a 1st trip). I'd prefer 200, but really just for selfish reasons--probably 85 to 90 percent of the games I have ever played have been 200, so most of my strategic sense is there. I like 200 because momentum shifts are actually possible. In 100 or 150, if the breaks go your way early, usually that's the game. In 200, you can actually survive losing a key initiative and still win.


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200 allows for more options in squad building, making is much more fun(IMO). 150 is good too don't get me wrong, it's just it can be quite constrictive with the high cost figures we have and will be getting.

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I'd love it to be 200 as well, but I doubt time will allow it. 200 point games with that much on the line probably will take 90 minutes at least.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:35 am 
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While I love 200 the most as well, just because of the larger diversity in good squad builds, I whole-heartedly believe it comes down to a time issue. When you look at a Championship level event, you know that even the best players in the world may play a little slower than usual because they are trying their absolutely hardest to win. At 150 points, there was a LOT of complaining by people that games went to time, or people stalled, or time ran out with very little action having occurred in the game. At 200 points, you'd have even more than that.

And in the possibility of a few people here and there playing ridiculous swarm squads with like 40 some Ewoks, and you start having some serious problems with completing enough rounds in one hour. Heck, I know people who can't even handle a 16-18 activation 200 point squad well enough to play more than 3 or 4 rounds in an hour.

Sure, it's nice that at 200 points, you can afford to make a mistake and still come back and win in a lot of cases, but I think that's another reason why 150 is probably better for a Championship. You can't afford to make ANY mistakes at that level.

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LoboStele wrote:
Sure, it's nice that at 200 points, you can afford to make a mistake and still come back and win in a lot of cases, but I think that's another reason why 150 is probably better for a Championship. You can't afford to make ANY mistakes at that level.


And at 200pts, considering the rounds of play, and the little action that occurs at a championship event, you will never have enough time to overcome any early mistakes anyways. Its not the same style of play as normal 200. Something big dies, that's game.

The biggest benefit to doing 200 though, would be the map selection process. The 200pt limits on maps would help against a lot of the stalling/stalemate situations that we see at 150. But that's a minor point, I still prefer 150.

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I just started playing 200 more often since that is what the LGS plays. I think it helps the less experienced players at the LGS because they have more points to squeeze in their high point pieces and if they make mistakes it doesn't hurt them as much. whatever point level gencon plays at will be fine with me, I'm more interested in the competitive element more than the specifics of point level or prize support.


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I hope it changes to 200 mainly cause I also think 150 is restrictive and I just don't like the 150 format much, that doesn't mean I won't play in the championship if I can make it to Gencon this year though. I also like 200 cause there are more different kinds of builds to use. Also losing an important init roll usually isn't gonna hurt that much in the 200 format either.

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200 is my least favorite of the three sanctioned point totals, but what I think doesn't matter since I don't go to Gencon.

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Well, to be perfectly honest, from what I've seen of the meta for 150 points right now, it seems much more open than it was last year. There are all new squads that are really great, some of the same ones from last year are still really great. So, there should honestly be more available squads this year at GenCon than in year's past. Unless LOTF and KOTOR really turn things on their heads of course.

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LoboStele wrote:
Unless LOTF and KOTOR really turn things on their heads of course.

Yeah, I'm guessing the Dug Fringer and Jar Jar Binks will shake things up!

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I prefer 150.

Too many games already go to tiebreakers, and my experience is that people play even slower as the point totals go up which means 200 would potentially be even worse.

Also, I would prefer the championship be consistant. The informal 2006 "championship" was 150, the 2007 Championship was 150. I'd like to see 2008 and beyond maintain that.

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dvader831 wrote:
LoboStele wrote:
Unless LOTF and KOTOR really turn things on their heads of course.

Yeah, I'm guessing the Dug Fringer and Jar Jar Binks will shake things up!


Yes, perhaps Jar Jar will be the new meta, he will be Thrawn's equal :palps: .

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