Fool wrote:
To make it truely random you have to roll it 10,000 times in a controlled environment. 
Yeah, I don't think I need to know that bad.
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| Author: | Boba52 [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | D20 preference? |
I have noticed that there are two main types of 20 sided dice. The kind that comes with the game that has a 2, 8, and 14 around the 20 and the type that has a 7, 14, and 11 around the 20. Does anyone know if DCI has a ruling on this? When you play, do you have a preference? I don't have any big stat tests or anything, but the 7, 14, and 11 kind sure seems to out perform the the other when it comes to 11 or higher rolls. |
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| Author: | Comicsaurus [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
I've never noticed a difference. I'll check mine when I get home. I just know that the total of opposing sides should equal 21, and not be a roll down die. |
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| Author: | homer_sapien [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
As far as I know the only rules for D20's are you can't use one of the Magic countdown ones. I'll have to check my D20's to see which numbers are around the 20. |
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| Author: | LESHIPPY [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
I noticed the difference, but have not kept track which does better. |
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| Author: | homer_sapien [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
I checked mine and 14 out of 15 have the 2, 8, and 14 around the 20. |
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| Author: | adder [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
I'm pretty sure the only DCI rule is that the total of the opposing sides has to be 21. Though on most of them one of the numbers next to 1 is 19, one of the numbers next to 19 is 3, one of the numbers next to 18 is 4 and so on. Based on this pattern the 2 would logically be next to the 20. |
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| Author: | dvader831 [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
From what I have learned, the opposite sides must equal 21. This is what is called a "truly random die." Then there are ones where the big number are grouped together. In a test, these dice typically roll higher. It doesn't seem like it would, but it has been put through a test. I had to give up 8 or so d20's because they weren't truly random. The ones that Jim gave us at Gencon followed this rule, and I have followed it for a very long time. |
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| Author: | The Madman [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
Seriously None of you LOOKED!? From 603 point 2 • Quote: A 20-sided die (d20). Dice must not be especially large or small. Players may not use Spindown™ dice or any dice that have all of the high numbers in a cluster together. there are basicly 2 major dice companies Chessex and 'the other one'... Chessex are the "official" standard, as they have the patent on the "Random" die matrix as discussed above the 'other', well.... |
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| Author: | dvader831 [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
The Madman wrote: Seriously None of you LOOKED!? From 603 point 2 • Quote: A 20-sided die (d20). Dice must not be especially large or small. Players may not use Spindown™ dice or any dice that have all of the high numbers in a cluster together. there are basicly 2 major dice companies Chessex and 'the other one'... Chessex are the "official" standard, as they have the patent on the "Random" die matrix as discussed above the 'other', well.... However, I bought a dice set at Gencon from Chessex. I had to return the d20, b/c it wasn't totally random! My clear red die is slightly a different shade, b/c it wasn't from a full set. |
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| Author: | Boba52 [ Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
Wow, I had never heard of the 21 opposite side deal. I have about 10-15 20 sided die I picked up playing Magic the last 10 or so years. I started playing minis around BH and bought most of my stuff online, so until the last starter was the first time I ever had a dice from WOTC. About 3/4 of my dice are of the 7, 11, 14 and the sides don't add up to 21. They are: 1 and 20 2 and 12 3 and 17 4 and 16 5 and 19 6 and 14 7 and 13 8 and 18 9 and 15 10 and 11 The WOTC one has: 1 and 20 2 and 19 3 and 18 4 and 17 5 and 16 6 and 15 7 and 14 8 and 13 9 and 12 10 and 11 So, I guess there is a difference. I guess I'll have to roll each one 100 times and see what happens. I would definately feel bad if I have been doing something illegal the last couple of years to my friends. I just didn't think it was that important for me to spend time and money tracking down a crappy looking orange WOTC dice. |
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| Author: | Boba52 [ Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: D20 preference? |
Fool wrote: To make it truely random you have to roll it 10,000 times in a controlled environment. Yeah, I don't think I need to know that bad.
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