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Author:  LESHIPPY [ Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Inside the mind of a designer - Ezra Bridger

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I think I am leaning towards Ezra Bridger, Padawan

Sling shot will have jolt.
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Laura made this ability for the Nightsister Hunter, and I like it.

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Plasma Bolt -4 [Enemy characters get -4 to save rolls to reduce or avoid damage from this character's attacks]


She mentioned it could be scaled for Ezra. (A Hunter with a bow would be better than a slingshot.) Perhaps a -2?

Just thought I'd put that idea here too since it was mentioned for Ezra elsewhere.
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Set 2. Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
28ish?
90
18
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack, Greater Mobile Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Jolt (An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.)
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Stealth
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character with a Force rating is within 6 squares)

Force 3
Force Leap(Force 1: This turn, this character can move through enemy characters without provoking attacks of opportunity)
Focused Attack (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets)


So this guy was built to reflect that he is a padawan and has some force powers and that being with Kanan will make him better. He is able to sneak around a good deal. He also slips out of the grasp of whoever is trying to keep him confined causing them to loose focus. Jolt is meant to reflect the use his slingshot.
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Tim if we want to work in the plasma bolt -2 I would be ok with that. I just wanted to post my original idea and then modify from there. I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't ignoring your post.
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A cool idea that might work on Ezra (though he's already pretty stacked)

False Transmission [Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.]

This gets you and an ally safely past an enemy.
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should this guy have lightsaber? +10 agains adjacent?
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should this guy have lightsaber? +10 agains adjacent?



I'm on the fence. Is he in full padawan mode, or is he the scrappy kid who they first meet up with. Could go either way.
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should this guy have lightsaber? +10 agains adjacent?



I'm on the fence. Is he in full padawan mode, or is he the scrappy kid who they first meet up with. Could go either way.


My initial reaction is no, but I could be persuaded. Even though he's learning to use a light saber, he doesn't really use it in combat (although I'm a couple episodes behind).
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well he just constructed his own saber an episode or two ago. He probably shouldn't have it.

However, I just looked up younglings and padawans. They all deal 20 Base damage. So maybe he should.
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well he just constructed his own saber an episode or two ago. He probably shouldn't have it.

However, I just looked up younglings and padawans. They all deal 20 Base damage. So maybe he should.


That's because they have lightsabers and are melee.

I think I like him with 10 dam.

Of course the danger there is him getting twin, and being a pseduo accurate (focused attack) double-twin jolter. Perhaps even super stealthed. But that all costs a lot
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I think he should have lightsaber +10 at upper 20's cost.
His attack is pretty low and that tempers his jolt.
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cool with me then
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For some reason Jolt has not been sitting well with me and then I had an idea.

Instead of light saber +10 and Jolt, why not just sting beam?

It gives the adjacent +10 exactly like light saber and it's Jolt against adjacent only.

Could keep the cost down that way
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I would rather Stingbeam than Lightsaber, personally.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra Bridger, PadawanPostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:05 am
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LESHIPPY wrote:
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Set 2. Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
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90
18
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack, Greater Mobile Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Stealth
Stingbeam (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies. An adjacent living enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11.)
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character with a Force rating is within 6 squares)

Force 3
Force Leap(Force 1: This turn, this character can move through enemy characters without provoking attacks of opportunity)
Focused Attack (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets)


So this guy was built to reflect that he is a padawan and has some force powers and that being with Kanan will make him better. He is able to sneak around a good deal. He also slips out of the grasp of whoever is trying to keep him confined causing them to loose focus. Jolt is meant to reflect the use his slingshot.



Lowered cost. Added Sting Beam
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I like the abilities.

not to quibble, but the HP and Def seems high. High for his cost, but also for the character.

I'd rather see 70HP and 17 Def
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yeah you are probably right
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Raised cost 1, lowered hp and def

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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
22
70
17
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack, Greater Mobile Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Stealth
Stingbeam (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies. An adjacent living enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11.)
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character with a Force rating is within 6 squares)

Force 3
Force Leap(Force 1: This turn, this character can move through enemy characters without provoking attacks of opportunity)
Focused Attack (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets)

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Stingbeam isn't what this guy did.

His slingshot was ranged which stunned and he has a lightsaber.

Stingbeam feels like too much temperment and too much of an abstraction.

I'd prefer him with lightsaber and jolt over pretty much everything on his card (exception of Padawan, which should really be exclusive to Kanaan because he was the guy who was able to get through to him.
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Raised cost 1, lowered hp and def

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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
22
70
17
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Lightsaber +10
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Jolt
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character who's name contains Kanaan is within 6 squares)

Force 3
force leap

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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 3:40 pm
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Why not have the Synergy grant Padawan?
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Stingbeam isn't what this guy did.

His slingshot was ranged which stunned and he has a lightsaber.

Stingbeam feels like too much temperment and too much of an abstraction.

I'd prefer him with lightsaber and jolt over pretty much everything on his card (exception of Padawan, which should really be exclusive to Kanaan because he was the guy who was able to get through to him.
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Raised cost 1, lowered hp and def

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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
22
70
17
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Lightsaber +10
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Jolt
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character who's name contains Kanaan is within 6 squares)

Force 3
force leap




I'm not totally against it

Jolt and LS +10 > sting beam. (Is greater than, not an arrow pointing)


Cost might have to go up

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Why not have the Synergy grant Padawan?



Do you mean camaraderie? And do you mean to put it on Kanan (to give to Ezra?)
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I sort of like Padawan where it is at. I think given the era, we are looking at I think any Jedi would have been able to help him out just not Kanan
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Why not have the Synergy grant Padawan?



Do you mean camaraderie? And do you mean to put it on Kanan (to give to Ezra?)[/quote]

Nope, not sure what I meant. Not Camaraderie, because that has to be an ability on common (unless Kanan gave him Padawan and something else, but that is probably too abstract even for me lol). I was thinking Synergy could give out SAs, but I seem to have been wrong about that. Maybe I was thinking about Force Bond or something similar. No idea really. Brain went off on a tangent, sorry.

Guess I will Withdraw my objection to light saber, since everyone else is on board.
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ince he's been shaved down a bit here, how could everyone feel about him at 28pts and add this:

False Transmission [Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.]

It was inspired straight out of the show.
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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
28
70
17
+8
10

Unique, Gost Crew
Double Attack
Evade
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Lightsaber +10
False Transmission [Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.]
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Jolt
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character who's name contains Kanaan is within 6 squares)

Force 3
force leap



False Transmission [Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.]

This gets you and an ally safely past an enemy.[/quote]
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I think i like this

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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
28
70
17
+8
10

Unique, Ghost Crew
Double Attack, Mobile Attack
Distraction (Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects)
Evade (When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Lightsaber +10 (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies)
False Transmission (Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.)
Padawan (This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were its own. It still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with its own.)
Jolt (An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.)
Synergy +2 (+2 Attack while a Unique allied character who's name contains Kanaan is within 6 squares)

Force 3
Focused Attack (Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets)

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That makes sense.

I'm good with that
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Cool. PT?
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False Transmission (Choose an enemy within line of sight. This phase, that enemy does not block allies' movement and may not make attacks of opportunity.)


Timing? Does it replace anything?

Seems like it could be worded like free Force Leap for allies, but maybe there is a reason to have it affect the enemy. (probably doesn't matter either way)
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Usable anytime of course.

Kidding

Usable on this characters turn.
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cleaned up
- please look at False Transmission for any conflicts with intent

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subset 2/9

Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
28 pts

HP 70
DEF 17
ATK +8
DMG 10

Special Abilities
Unique. Ghost Crew
Double Attack; Mobile Attack

Distraction [Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects]

Evade [When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11]

False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, this character and allies can move through that enemy's square without provoking attacks of opportunity]

Jolt [An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.]

Lightsaber +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent enemies]

Padawan [This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were his own. He still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with his own.]

Synergy +2 [+2 Attack while an ally whose name contains Kanan Jarrus is within 6 squares]

Force Powers
Force 3

Focused Attack [Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets]

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Correct me if I'm wrong but with that wording, if there were two enemies next to each other and you choose one and and you went through his square, the other enemy would NOT get the attack of opportunity either.

It seems that that might get sticky as far as when you're going through the one character'ssquare but another adjacent character may get an attack of opportunity in the Square before you enter the chosen character Square, etc etc.

Would it be easier to specify only AoOs from THAT enemy?
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Would it be easier to specify only AoOs from THAT enemy?



Yes
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Here's a stab at it

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False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, that enemy may not make attacks of opportunity, and this character and allies can move through that enemy's square]

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Here's a stab at it

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False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, that enemy may not make attacks of opportunity, and this character and allies can move through that enemy's square]



That seems pretty good. Might be able to reduce it down a bit more, but is good enough for PT.
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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
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28 pts

HP 70
DEF 17
ATK +8
DMG 10

Special Abilities
Unique. Ghost Crew
Double Attack; Mobile Attack

Distraction [Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects]

Evade [When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11]

*False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, that enemy may not make attacks of opportunity, and this character and allies can move through that enemy's square]

Jolt [An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.]

Lightsaber +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent enemies]

Padawan [This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were his own. He still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with his own.]

Synergy +2 [+2 Attack while an ally whose name contains Kanan Jarrus is within 6 squares]

Force Powers
Force 3

Focused Attack [Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets]




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I just realized that Plasma Bolt -2 never made it onto this guy (was supposed to represent the slingshot). Not a big deal, but did we want to work it in?
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For reference

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Plasma Bolt -2 [Enemy characters get -2 to save rolls to reduce or avoid damage from this character's attacks

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sure I have no problem with that
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I just realized that Plasma Bolt -2 never made it onto this guy (was supposed to represent the slingshot). Not a big deal, but did we want to work it in?



i thought that was jolt?
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Nightsister archer has the +4 version

It was a new ability we were introducing in this set, and I thought it was cool to be useful on 2 characters.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if he had both (jolt and plasma bolt -2), the latter would not effect jolt. (which I like)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but if he had both (jolt and plasma bolt -2), the latter would not effect jolt. (which I like)


Correct. Plasma bolt just affects things like Evade, Dark Armor, and Beskar'gam. Back when we were talking about the set as a whole, Tim mentioned that the effect of his slingshot could be similar to the plasma bows the Hunters used, and I agreed, which is why I designed Plasma Bolt to be scalable. Now that we're more settled on both, it might be a bit of overkill, since Ezra seems fairly solidly formed as he is. Jolt does approximate the effect, so it might be excessive to have two separate abilities for that.

I just wanted to mention it before it got lost in the shuffle (again).
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I'd like it on there. We raised him to 28pts, so he should be useful.

If there is room I think we should try it
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Ok. Anyone have an objection to adding plasma bolt -2 to the PT stats?
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nope, add it.
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Do we have a problem with him becoming a greater mobile double twin jolted quite easily?

Wondering if he should be stealth instead of evade
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Sorry, it has been long morning of going a thousand directions. How is he getting twin?
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Sorry, it has been long morning of going a thousand directions. How is he getting twin?



Blaster Upgrade (Specforce technician). Already a very good piece in the rebels, and fits perfectly with Leia RC and others in the faction to create a nasty combo.)
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What if we just made him a single attack? Drop him say to 26 maybe?
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Do we have a problem with him becoming a greater mobile double twin jolted quite easily?

Wondering if he should be stealth instead of evade



After the power level you witnessed this weekend i feel obliged to turn the question back on you.

You need to spend 18 points on a pretty fragile commander to get him GMA (note he is currently listed as mobile).

Personally, i don't have a problem with him now. He might replace Das Jenner in a squad i've only seen you play. He might end up being played WITH Dass which would be a cool new combo.

for comparison, this is Dass (a pretty under strength figure these days) who can pump out 160 damage in a turn but you need all your ducks in a row to get it. He can also get jolt if you bring in a verpine.
Dass
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Unique
Double Attack (On his turn, this character can make 1 extra attack instead of moving)
Affinity (May be in a Republic squad)
Lightsaber (+10 Damage against adjacent enemies)
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Force 2
Force Renewal 1 (This character gets 1 Force point each time he activates)
Dispassionate Killer (Force 1: +4 Attack and +20 Damage until the end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn, make a save of 11. If the save fails, this character is immediately defeated.)
Force Leap (Force 1: This turn, this character can move through enemy characters without provoking attacks of opportunity)
Jedi Mind Trick (Force 1, usable only on this character's turn: range 2; target living enemy is considered activated this round and cannot make attacks of opportunity this turn; save 11)

Erza has a lower ceiling and attack, less force powers but has evade and jolt (with plasma thingy).
Dass has JMT also, erza will jolt 2 figs at most. Not such a great deal when you have 9 warriors with twin 30 bearing down on you from 16 spaces away.
Or commando's who can co-ordinate command right down your throat.

If you want my honest opinion i'd say that things that activate pieces or freeze pieces are probably ripe to add to this game.

Actually, i'd probably like a couple of pieces with snare rifle in this set based on the movement possible these days or something with a bubble that prevents movement that occurs outside your normal move (catching agile, CE movement, coordinated command etc) and/or slows guys down to their speed or slower.

The game isn't a WotC game anymore, its now a vset dominated game. The average power level has bounced in the last few sets.

Erza is not an issue, IMO.
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Can't argue with any of the above. Just wanted to bring it up. Better to discuss than be surprised
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:26 am
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PT suggested something about twin. I dunno, it was vague.

If we swapped double for twin, he could more easily get off 2 attacks (and move!). 40 adjacent damage would be plausible now.

Small downside would be he can only ever jolt 1 character.

Thoughts on twin?
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Twin would be fine.

Weakens jolt, brings up his floor but lowers his damage ceiling.
He is more of a self contained package with twin and works better with rebel cannons.

I'm not against it, i don't think its any stronger because of the ease that he can get twin anyway.

I don't feel strongly either way.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:08 pm
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I'm fine with him having Twin instead of Double. We want this group to feel natural together, and the PT comments indicated Twin would help with that.
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Ezra Bridger, Padawan
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HP 70
DEF 17
ATK +8
DMG 10

Special Abilities
Unique. Ghost Crew
Twin Attack; Mobile Attack

Distraction [Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects]

Evade [When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11]

*False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, that enemy may not make attacks of opportunity, and this character and allies can move through that enemy's square]

Jolt [An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.]

Lightsaber +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent enemies]

Padawan [This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were his own. He still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with his own.]

Plasma Bolt -2 [Enemy characters get -2 to save rolls to reduce or avoid damage from this character's attacks]

Synergy +2 [+2 Attack while an ally whose name contains Kanan Jarrus is within 6 squares]

Force Powers
Force 3

Focused Attack [Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets]



Update with Twin instead of double

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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:39 pm
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Intent question on False Transmission:

Normal targeting rules, or ignores cover?
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:46 pm
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Good question. Open to thoughts.

Obviously more useful ignoring cover.

Too good?
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:39 pm
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I would think normal targeting rules. Most of the time, you're going to be picking an enemy fairly close at hand, since you're wanting to be able to move through it and still make attacks (not always, but most of the time). So in the majority of cases, cover will only matter for Cloaked/super stealth (because you're probably going to be within six squares of an enemy with stealth you would use it on).
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I thought about that too - but if we go with no cover, it's more of a matter of the allies in the same phase. Ezra is a tech piece in a lot of ways (as well as support shooter) - so I could see him standing back a bit further, and helping Zeb hop a mouse to get to a meaty target.

It is a "false transmission". It wouldn't follow normal targeting rules (but for gameplay it at least has to be LoS (no cover)
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:50 pm
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Yeah, that thought occurred to me, as well. It would be nice to be able to move someone else past an enemy, even if Ezra was staying put. Maybe a range (within 12 squares and line of sight)? So you can't pick anything on the board you can see, but you still have the option of affecting someone outside your immediate area.
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Additional question:

It may be simpler and shorter to have them ignore the enemy when moving (which leaves Jedi Reflexes etc working). Is that a big deal?

This card is quite stacked.
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Additional question:

It may be simpler and shorter to have them ignore the enemy when moving (which leaves Jedi Reflexes etc working). Is that a big deal?

This card is quite stacked.



I thought about that as well with the request for rewording.

Originally I thought I would want it to work against Jedi reflexes, etc - but the more I think about it, let'd just Keep It Simple.

They already have a playtest showing they are pretty darn good (and we weren't aiming for top tier played all together) - so this small thing can be let go, especially if it makes it shorter and simpler.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:24 pm
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What version is done? Two changes to False Transmission were discussed but not included in a new stat block.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 7:23 am
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You're right, we at least need to decide whether we want it to ignore cover (I think the other was more swinefeld wanting to make a minor tweak to the wording).

Sorry.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra BridgerPostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:32 am
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I'm sorry, I thought it was all sorted out. LoS only (not normal targeting), and jedi/reflexes, QuickDraw, etc still work against it.

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subset 2/9

Ezra Bridger, Padawan
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28 pts

HP 70
DEF 17
ATK +8
DMG 10

Special Abilities
Unique. Ghost Crew
Twin Attack; Mobile Attack

Distraction [Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects]

Evade [When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11]

*False Transmission [Usable on this character's turn: Choose an enemy within line of sight; this phase, that enemy may not make attacks of opportunity, and this character and allies can move through that enemy's square]

Jolt [An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.]

Lightsaber +10 [+10 Damage against adjacent enemies]

Padawan [This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were his own. He still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with his own.]

Plasma Bolt -2 [Enemy characters get -2 to save rolls to reduce or avoid damage from this character's attacks]

Synergy +2 [+2 Attack while an ally whose name contains Kanan Jarrus is within 6 squares]

Force Powers
Force 3

Focused Attack [Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets]



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Fine with me. Done.
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra Bridger - QC POSTEDPostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:20 am
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* QC *

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subset 2/9

Ezra Bridger, Padawan
Rebel
28 pts

HP 70
DEF 17
ATK +8
DMG 10

Special Abilities
Unique. Ghost Crew
Twin Attack; Mobile Attack

Distraction [Suppresses adjacent enemy commander effects]

Evade [When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11]

False Transmission [On this character's turn, he can choose 1 enemy within line of sight: This phase, this character and allies ignore that enemy when moving]

Jolt [An enemy hit by this character's attack is considered activated this round; save 11. Huge and larger characters ignore this effect.]

Lightsaber [+10 Damage against adjacent enemies]

Padawan [This character can spend a Unique ally's Force points as though they were his own. He still cannot spend Force points more than once per turn and cannot combine the ally's Force points with his own.]

Plasma Bolt -2 [Enemy characters get -2 to save rolls to prevent damage from this character's attacks]

Synergy +2 [+2 Attack while an ally whose name contains Kanan Jarrus is within 6 squares]

Force Powers
Force 3

Focused Attack [Force 2, usable only on this character's turn: This character ignores cover when determining legal targets]

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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra Bridger - QC POSTEDPostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:32 am
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a few things:

- 2nd line of Padawan def has a leading space

- for undefined stuff, I suggest

Unique. Ghost Crew
Twin Attack; Mobile Attack; Evade

- after-the-fact QC

Plasma Bolt - change 'save rolls' to just 'saves' (and hopefully that will eliminate a 3rd line)
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Post subject: Re: Mini Set 2. Ezra Bridger - QC POSTEDPostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2015 11:11 am
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sweet

and...crap, more post-QC QC.

Focused Attack needs 'this turn' appended at the end.

(my fault, I had left it out on Bloo and never caught it until just now)
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Lightsaber has its close bracket very close to the danger zone. Otherwise fine.
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FlyingArrow wrote:
Lightsaber has its close bracket very close to the danger zone. Otherwise fine.


Shift text block left slightly to be safe, and we're good
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