8 is high enough for the cost. I like this and the potential squads it opens up.
Could this be the piece that finally makes Puhr Justice a reality? Fingers crossed!
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| Author: | adamb0nd [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Trandoshan's are fairly weak, bossk aside. I think handing out snare rifle to trandoshans wouldn't be game breaking. Specially since most trandoshans don't want an enemy pinned in LOS, as they can't move once that happens (a lot of them have mercenary). |
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| Author: | Sithborg [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
adamb0nd wrote: Trandoshan's are fairly weak, bossk aside. I think handing out snare rifle to trandoshans wouldn't be game breaking. Specially since most trandoshans don't want an enemy pinned in LOS, as they can't move once that happens (a lot of them have mercenary). Except that giving out that much Snare Rifle will unfairly hurt Melee squads. I don't see it making it out of playtesting. |
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| Author: | FlyingArrow [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Maybe give Trandoshan Hunt Master Snare Rifle but don't give it to anyone via CE, etc. |
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| Author: | GeneralGrievous [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
FlyingArrow wrote: Maybe give Trandoshan Hunt Master Snare Rifle but don't give it to anyone via CE, etc. I would be down with that, stick with Ambush. What about handing out blast cannon ala republic commando trando? |
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| Author: | adamb0nd [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Ambush is good. I think if we don't want to give them utility (snare/netgun), then they really need an attack boost more than a damage boost. |
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| Author: | Azavander [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Slightly different idea Trandoshan Hunt Master HP 50 Def 18 Atk 12 Dmg 20 Clan (Trandoshan allies gain +2 attack) Greater Mobile Attack Rapport (Characters whose name contains Trandoshan cost 1 less when in a squad with this character) Advanced Snare Rifle: A character hit by this character's attack cannot move until the end of this characters next turn. CE: Allied Trandoshans gain Swarm+2 My thought process was that he is leading the hunt sticks the dude and then other trandoshans swarm to finish. |
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| Author: | FlyingArrow [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Looking at the Trandoshan non-uniques, I don't think we're giving them what they need. The mercenary ability is such a mobility killer, and both the regular and elite have low attacks. If they could get close to someone and had decent, double claw/rend gives them a big boost to potentially do a lot of damage. The merc has the dreaded 20hp... now that most attacks are 20+, 20hp isn't worth much more than 10hp. A Trandoshan movement breaker would perhaps help the mercs more than anything. Or something that says they can't attack... so therefore they can move. This version has way too much. Just throwing ideas out there to see people find any of it interesting. Trandoshan Hunt Master HP 80 Def 17 Atk 10 Dmg 30 Greater Mobile Attack Regeneration 10 Snare Rifle Hunter's Patience (Adjacent allies with Mercenary may not attack non-adjacent enemies) Synergy (Non-unique Trandoshan allies gain +4 attack) Clan (Trandoshan allies gain Bounty Hunter +2) CE At the end of this character's turn, a Trandoshan ally within 6 squares may move up to its Speed. Followers with a name or ability that contains Hunter gain Ambush and Double Attack |
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| Author: | Sithborg [ Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Azavander wrote: Advanced Snare Rifle: A character hit by this character's attack cannot move until the end of this characters next turn. I'm not a huge fan of this tweak. It is much harder to keep track of, and is of little benefit depending on activation status. As for movement breakers, remember, this is a Fringe character, boosting Fringe characters. They already have access to all the movement breakers they want. |
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| Author: | Azavander [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Sithborg wrote: Azavander wrote: Advanced Snare Rifle: A character hit by this character's attack cannot move until the end of this characters next turn. I'm not a huge fan of this tweak. It is much harder to keep track of, and is of little benefit depending on activation status. As for movement breakers, remember, this is a Fringe character, boosting Fringe characters. They already have access to all the movement breakers they want. My thought with it was that if that hunt master is first one round, it last the next round and the opponent character is going to sit there a while. I imagine sticking Mace and then letting everyone pepper him for a bit and run him low on FP or do some serious damage to bring him down a bit. The idea came from Bastilla and her ability that last until her next turn or Override which work similar just on a character instead of a door. |
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| Author: | FlyingArrow [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
In order to give the non-unique trandoshans the help they need we need to address Mercenary, but but I don't think it makes sense to address Trandoshan Mercenaries without also talking about the other mercenaries. A new Merc Commander should do that, though, not this piece. So focusing exclusively on 'hunters' with this piece is making more sense to me. Trandoshan Hunt Master 29 HP 80 Def 17 Atk 10 Dmg 20 Greater Mobile Attack Regeneration 10 Double Claw Attack Rend +10 Snare Rifle CE Followers with a name or ability that contains Hunter gain Ambush and Double Attack |
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| Author: | R5Don4 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
FlyingArrow wrote: CE Followers with a name or ability that contains Hunter gain Ambush and Double Attack Bossk with Double Claw and Double Attack? Don't work in tandem, but will not be an issue. Maybe he should be able to compliment Nym? With his CE and Rapport, he's never been too hot, as try as one might. |
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| Author: | kamikaze13 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
FlyingArrow wrote: In order to give the non-unique trandoshans the help they need we need to address Mercenary, but but I don't think it makes sense to address Trandoshan Mercenaries without also talking about the other mercenaries. A new Merc Commander should do that, though, not this piece. So focusing exclusively on 'hunters' with this piece is making more sense to me. Trandoshan Hunt Master 29 HP 80 Def 17 Atk 10 Dmg 20 Greater Mobile Attack Regeneration 10 Double Claw Attack Rend +10 Snare Rifle CE Followers with a name or ability that contains Hunter gain Ambush and Double Attack I really like this, but I think it should help Trandoshans a little. So, how about adding one or both of these: Clan (Non-unique Trandoshan allies gain Bounty Hunter +2) CE Trandoshan allies gain Immobilizing Rend and +4 Attack. |
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| Author: | kamikaze13 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
R5Don4 wrote: FlyingArrow wrote: CE Followers with a name or ability that contains Hunter gain Ambush and Double Attack Bossk with Double Claw and Double Attack? Don't work in tandem, but will not be an issue. Maybe he should be able to compliment Nym? With his CE and Rapport, he's never been too hot, as try as one might. Change Double to Extra? |
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| Author: | R5Don4 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
That certainly might persuade some to take another look at Nym. |
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| Author: | Lord_Ball [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
I don't think adding a multi attack ability to hunters is the way to go unless it's relatively expensive or restricted to Non-uniques as it may be a bit too much with the possibility of TBSV + Boba, BH. Ambush works nicely with Clan since it means that, provided they can move, the Trandoshan Mercs are slightly more likely to be able to make use of Double Claw + Rend. |
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| Author: | Sithborg [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
That and it won't be used to boost the figures you want to boost. Just look at those with Jedi Hunter. |
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| Author: | R5Don4 [ Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Agreed. "Contains Hunter" is too broad for such a potentially powerful CE. |
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| Author: | Lord_Ball [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
I kinda like: Trandoshan Hunt Master Cost: 25 HP: 70 Def: 16 Att: 8 Dam: 20 SA: Bounty Hunter +2 Double Claw Attack Rend +10 Ambush Clan (Allied Trandoshans gain Bounty Hunter +2) Regeneration 10 CE: Bounty Hunter followers within 6 gain Ambush I like granting Ambush to: Trandos, Djas Puhr, Jodo Kast, Dev BH, Boba Young Merc, Bossk(s), Calo Nord, Jango Fett, Boba Fett, and Cade Skywalker BH. Not so sure about Mando BH, Durge JH, Jango BH, and Boba Merc |
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| Author: | FlyingArrow [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
Lord_Ball, I like that version. I'd increase attack to 10, though. Mando and Durge could easily be excluded by saying "Fringe Bounty Hunter followers". Nearly all bounty hunters are fringe. The only ones in factions are Mando, Durge x2, Jango Fett, and Mira. It doesn't bother me to grant it to Jango. Giving Boba Merc 12 squares movement and then accurate 60 (or 120 w/Whorm) is pretty powerful... might even put him into tier 1 discussion, but I don't think it's game-breaking. |
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| Author: | R5Don4 [ Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Trandoshan Huntmaster: Vset Project 1 |
8 is high enough for the cost. I like this and the potential squads it opens up. Could this be the piece that finally makes Puhr Justice a reality? Fingers crossed!
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