Am I perhaps missing something with the Cantina map? Why are people against it?

Personally I've never had a problem with it, but I've never chosen to use it for my map choice either.

1. Wow, that was sudden!!! No information, conversation, communication with the community? This came totally out of left field, unless my internet browser has been editing out all threads/posts which discuss this topic. Why was there no request for input or playtesting help from the various playgroups on this highly significant decision? Oh well, what's done is done, I guess. It won't be all bad (some of the changes are good, IMHO), but the suddenness and finality of the decision is unhelpful.

I do remember talking about what maps may or may not be on a future update - but I feel blindsided by the fact it was done 6 weeks before GenCon.

My thoughts:
--No offense to those who think differently, but I think that if people are wanting to see Ravaged Base/Commander's Office removed from the Restricted List, they need to seriously reconsider their tactics. IMHO, it's probably the single best and most-balanced map in the game.

I was told said discussion had this update in mind.

In the end, may as well get used to it, as the ideal date for any kind of set rotation (given the lack of new maps being created) is indeed July 1.

One set of maps for Regionals, another for Gencon: granted both lists would be know prior to six weeks outs, but imo this is a minor change.

I respectfully disagree. In the Kokomo regional Sven Black Sun Vigo basically rode the back of one accurate shooter to kill off his opponents door control and camp out. He was able to create a total lockout situation in the 3rd vs 4th place game. There are certain points on the map that are just way to easy to defend and just camp out in Gambit.

Yes, that's a good point: if you don't bring door control or don't/can't protect it well enough it could lead to a lockout situation. However, there are 3 paths of access from one side to the other, and I've found that it's rare (and difficult) to create a situation where you can kill all of your opponent's door control before he has a chance to blow at least 1 door. I must've played on this map 100-150 times, and I've only had 3 or 4 games where a lockout situation happened (for either side).

Personally, I do kinda wish that those 2 squares of rough terrain in the middle hallway were normal terrain, because that would allow for better attacks to be mounted from one gambit-spot to the other.

This squad won a regional running Rancor pit:

Cassus Fett
Bardan Jusik
M. Tactician
M. Scout x2
Czerka Scientist
M. CIO
Death Watch Saboteur
R4 Astromech
Salacious Crumb
Mouse Droid x3
Ug Demo x2


He won map roll every time.


If this doesn't set off alarm bells, I don't know what would.

Yes, that's a good point: if you don't bring door control or don't/can't protect it well enough it could lead to a lockout situation. However, there are 3 paths of access from one side to the other, and I've found that it's rare (and difficult) to create a situation where you can kill all of your opponent's door control before he has a chance to blow at least 1 door. I must've played on this map 100-150 times, and I've only had 3 or 4 games where a lockout situation happened (for either side).

Personally, I do kinda wish that those 2 squares of rough terrain in the middle hallway were normal terrain, because that would allow for better attacks to be mounted from one gambit-spot to the other.

I respectfully disagree. In the Kokomo regional Sven Black Sun Vigo basically rode the back of one accurate shooter to kill off his opponents door control and camp out. He was able to create a total lockout situation in the 3rd vs 4th place game. There are certain points on the map that are just way to easy to defend and just camp out in Gambit.

The rotation spoken of would be pointless then. People would only care about the half of the restricted list on the Mar-Sep rotation. So that would essentially change nothing.

I actually think a once a year map rotation is better for the 6 map rotation. As far as having a Sept update and then a March update, that would be to put on new maps in Sept, and see if we want to keep them for March

I was referencing the timing, not the frequency.

I understand. My whole point is that I think nothing should change between Regionals and GenCon. Much like when we release V-Sets. GenCon should reflect the same environment as the regionals the same year had.

Then a rotation is pointless.