DarthJawa wrote:
aside from a few Specific groups, 10 base damage pieces (via the czerka), and 2 factions having it in most builds most pieces dont ever get twin.
You say that its just standard now. Most of thepieces that grant twin or already have twin were out before anything DOTF came out with. MOst of the wotc (40 piece ) sets had about 1/10 peices have twin attack in this set it was just a little bit more. And yes seante commandos can be a very bad matchup against a super stealth storm commando squad. BUt thawt doesnt mean they are a broken piece. i Mean a grand master luke squad is incredible against a lancer squad, but that doesnt mean he is broken. YEah these buffs might make them played a little more, but it just means you have to change your strategy. Think of it this way: they add in the commanders for that stuff and they will lose pieces like Arice in their squad so they wont be able to get the barrage. Just add in a piece with force sense and you have a double wammy for them. YEah they might get thier shields, but that will only work so often, and they will go down quick, or at that point you can take down peices like nyna , if you can get to sight of them.
First of all, let me start by saying that that is a freaky Jawa. But yeah, Arica would probably get ditched. I'll hope that that's enough. Somehow I doubt it. I really just think Weir's crazy undercosted for what he does. That and the shields is kinda stealing Republic Commandos' thunder almost as bad as the twin is stealing it from my senate commandos. I usually feel like when making a unique commander, one should avoid just simply giving them everything ya know? Try to fit it with the squad or the commander. If the commander is known for being an aggressive person give em an aggressive ability. If the commander is carefull, considerate of his soldiers or anything of that nature, give them a defensive ability. But when your just gonna throw on one of the best defensive abilities in the game, one of the best offensive abilities in the game and call it done, I start to just feel like it's getting greedy. I mea It's
pretty ridiculous but how could Wier be forgetting to give them Jedi Hunter and Greater mobile while he's at it? Better fix that!
Weeks wrote:
Your also arguing a very specific matchup, you cant compare pieces head to head and it be a fair comparison of the pieces. Like gmls vs lancer of course Luke wins that, but gmls vs an ig86 swarm Luke doesn't win that without some big mistakes.
In the meta as a whole senates still probably matchup better vs melee teams and most shooters. Storms matchup well vs 20 damage shooters and some melee.
Overall if you look at the big picture the senates 50 hp and 30 base damage goes a long way to making them the better choice most of the time.
Now, after saying that I feel this thread has gotten to this point soully based on your love for the senates. Again I'll say if you want more senate pieces post in the "new minis you want to see" thread. Youve said a lot about senates yet you haven't followed up on backing up your passion for that subgroup with suggestions.
That being said there are a lot more subgroups people want to see get help (rebel troopers, the entire sith OR vong and mando factions, republic commandos just to mak a few) so while your request may not be acted on immediately having new suggestions and ideas in the pipeline is never a bad thing.
I like where Senate Commandos are for the most part. My biggest fear as far as they go is simply what I am saying here. That these virtual sets will simply obsolete them at some point.
I'd like to see maybe Captain jayfon and Isaru Omin. But I have a hard time deciding what their stats should look like. Though I did make a joke Jayfon on Bloomilk where he gave characters with "Senate" in their names Draw Fire. Thats pretty much all they did in Hostage Crisis. You do see them blocking blaster fire with those larger left pauldrons though. Maybe I could make up somthing for that...
In any case I have been thinking rebel Troopers need a boost for a while. I've been thinking maybe somthing to give commander effects for troopers a Booming Voice style effect.
But anyways, yeah, if I think I've figured out somthing cool I'll be sure to suggest it. Man, I'm tired. i'd better get some sleep before I say much more.