Swarms of vong are effective against a FEW jedi. Thud bug. That's all I got to say.
And nom bombs will have the MTB to ensure initative.
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| Author: | Grand Moff Boris [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:57 pm ] |
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Vong. It's Vong. Force Immunity is going to be huge for awhile. |
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| Author: | Aeimnestus [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:01 pm ] |
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The only problem is that now, there's more Force Attacks (like Lightsaber Throw 5) that generate attacks, and will rip through them. Right now, the only thing the Vong need is a Mas Amedda-type figure, and then they'd be a competitive faction. That's it. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:49 pm ] |
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Aeimnestus wrote: The only problem is that now, there's more Force Attacks (like Lightsaber Throw 5) that generate attacks, and will rip through them.
Right now, the only thing the Vong need is a Mas Amedda-type figure, and then they'd be a competitive faction. That's it. No, even then they'd be nerfed by disruptive, the vong also need init control as well. |
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| Author: | Sithborg [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:23 pm ] |
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Xanthan wrote: Aeimnestus wrote: The only problem is that now, there's more Force Attacks (like Lightsaber Throw 5) that generate attacks, and will rip through them. Right now, the only thing the Vong need is a Mas Amedda-type figure, and then they'd be a competitive faction. That's it. No, even then they'd be nerfed by disruptive, the vong also need init control as well. Which they do. Just like all the factions now. For only 8pts. |
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| Author: | Roque Saber [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:39 pm ] |
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I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time? |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:49 pm ] |
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Sithborg wrote: Xanthan wrote: Aeimnestus wrote: The only problem is that now, there's more Force Attacks (like Lightsaber Throw 5) that generate attacks, and will rip through them. Right now, the only thing the Vong need is a Mas Amedda-type figure, and then they'd be a competitive faction. That's it. No, even then they'd be nerfed by disruptive, the vong also need init control as well. Which they do. Just like all the factions now. For only 8pts. That's true, but however, that init control comes at the price of one of your grunts at the end of every round, and if the other player has a muun tactics broker, then they will have to reroll, and if the non-vong player has another means of init control other than the muun tactics broker, then its likely that the vong will lose init. |
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| Author: | homer_sapien [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:07 am ] |
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Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time?
Not that big a problem. If Bane has cover a Stormie needs a crit just to hit him. He can ignore them to go Jedi Hunting for Vader then mop them up after Vader is dead. |
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| Author: | Lord_Nihl [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:32 am ] |
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@Boris, "Force Immunity is going to be huge for a while" So you can't Force Push a Vong, you can still walk up and hit it with a lightsaber because maybe 2 figs for their entire faction can hit a piece that costs 20+ points. Sorry, those 3 and 4 attack values aren't going to get the job done. Not at 10 at a time. |
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| Author: | SirStevee [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:36 am ] |
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Swarms of vong are effective against a FEW jedi. Thud bug. That's all I got to say.
And nom bombs will have the MTB to ensure initative. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:57 pm ] |
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homer_sapien wrote: Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time? Not that big a problem. If Bane has cover a Stormie needs a crit just to hit him. He can ignore them to go Jedi Hunting for Vader then mop them up after Vader is dead. If bane has cover a stormie will not need a crit, with opportunist they have a plus 8 against 24 def, if thrawn is also on the squad, then the stormies will have 11 attack and will need a 13 to hit bane, or could combine fire with another stormie to up the chances of hitting bane. Bane couldn't ignore the stormie or bane would just get killed very quickly. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:01 pm ] |
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SirStevee wrote: Swarms of vong are effective against a FEW jedi. Thud bug. That's all I got to say.
And nom bombs will have the MTB to ensure initative. You can't really rely on the MTB, all factions have acess to it, and if an opponent has lobot and see that a vong squad has the MTB, the player's reinforcements could bring an MTB to counter the vong player's MTB. And Thud bug isn't gonna work every time, especially against Yoda CS squads. Also, Vong won't stand much of a chance against against rebels, they have double disruptive, so nom bombs become useless, maybe vong warriors could do fairly well, but rebels also have access to great shooters, which could tear apart the vong warriors. |
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| Author: | Aeimnestus [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:17 pm ] |
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Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time?
The big problem with 30 (34 technically, if you include AE Tarkin) is that a lot of figs can just "go around" the cover. Still, though, 30 def is nothing to laugh about. |
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| Author: | SirStevee [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:20 pm ] |
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All it takes is a jedi to come around and take you out. Disruptive also really hurts the 30 def. stormies. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:14 pm ] |
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Aeimnestus wrote: Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time? The big problem with 30 (34 technically, if you include AE Tarkin) is that a lot of figs can just "go around" the cover. Still, though, 30 def is nothing to laugh about. What do you mean 34 def? A&E tarkin doesn't give the stormies extra defense. its 30 def. But your right you can't just ignore a stormtrooper with 30 def that has opportunist. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:16 pm ] |
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SirStevee wrote: All it takes is a jedi to come around and take you out. Disruptive also really hurts the 30 def. stormies.
Disruptive isn't extremely effective, if the stormies stay back and shoots the disruptive targets, then the targets will die fast. Also, a good player isn't gonna bunch up a lot of stormies for them to get killed by force push or force repulse. |
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| Author: | Aeimnestus [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:09 pm ] |
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Xanthan wrote: Aeimnestus wrote: Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time? The big problem with 30 (34 technically, if you include AE Tarkin) is that a lot of figs can just "go around" the cover. Still, though, 30 def is nothing to laugh about. What do you mean 34 def? A&E tarkin doesn't give the stormies extra defense. its 30 def. But your right you can't just ignore a stormtrooper with 30 def that has opportunist. Doesn't the A&E Tarkin have the ability "Doctrine of Fear" Which reduces enemy character's attacks by -4 if they are within 6? So technically, it's like +4 defense. |
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| Author: | Xanthan [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:46 pm ] |
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Aeimnestus wrote: Xanthan wrote: Aeimnestus wrote: Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time? The big problem with 30 (34 technically, if you include AE Tarkin) is that a lot of figs can just "go around" the cover. Still, though, 30 def is nothing to laugh about. What do you mean 34 def? A&E tarkin doesn't give the stormies extra defense. its 30 def. But your right you can't just ignore a stormtrooper with 30 def that has opportunist. Doesn't the A&E Tarkin have the ability "Doctrine of Fear" Which reduces enemy character's attacks by -4 if they are within 6? So technically, it's like +4 defense. Ah right, I didn't think of that. I guess in it a way it increases def. |
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| Author: | Sithborg [ Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:53 pm ] |
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Yeah, if Tarkin is that close, he won't live much longer. |
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| Author: | Aeimnestus [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
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Sithborg wrote: Yeah, if Tarkin is that close, he won't live much longer.
Agreed. |
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| Author: | masterjudge [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:09 am ] |
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Roque Saber wrote: I voted Empire. 30 defense stormies is crazy. Ya, bane is a beast in 100 pt format, but what happens if he only hits his 5 point targets half the time?
Hmmmmmmm... happy thoughts. |
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