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 Post subject: For your viewing pleasure: Gray Jedi *
PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:36 pm 
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So after some discussion, we the designers have decided to share the process of this figure with the community. Let me preface a reading of the thread by stating a few things:

1. Playtesting notes are not included here, as playtesting discussion typically took place elsewhere. If I can dig up the specific notes about this stat card, I will attempt to add them to this thread.

2. Some discussion of development of this character took place offline. As you read, you may notice a bit of a jump from the online posts/comments in developing it to a final version with some tweaks that led to the card many of you all now have.

3. Tim Ballard played a HUGE role in the final version of the stat card, and most of his influence took place in a real-life discussion he and I had at the Owensboro regional, coupled with a follow-up PM he wrote to the design team about our conversation.

With that said, here is the thread in its entirety... enjoy! :imperial:
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Gray Jedi 19 pts. New Republic
80 Hit Points
18 Defense
+10 Attack
20 Damage

Special Abilities
Melee Attack. Triple Attack.
Affinity (May be on a Republic squad)
Internal Strife

Force Powers
Force 3
Dark Temptation
Lightsaber Assault

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 Post subject: Re: Gray Jedi
PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:27 pm 
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Seems a bit cheap for 19 with Triple and Dark Temptation. I like the idea, just might need to make the cost low-mid 20s. Maybe 23. Otherwise, the flavor looks nice, I wouldn't change anything about that.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:08 pm 
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With new point cost...

Gray Jedi 23 pts. New Republic
80 Hit Points
18 Defense
+10 Attack
20 Damage

Special Abilities
Melee Attack. Triple Attack.
Affinity (May be on a Republic squad)
Internal Strife

Force Powers
Force 3
Dark Temptation
Lightsaber Assault

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 Post subject: Re: Gray Jedi
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:30 am 
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again, I like it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gray Jedi
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:32 am 
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Looks great. Only question, should it have affinity for OR as well? I have no idea, just asking since it seemed logical, but maybe there's a reason for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Gray Jedi
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:50 am 
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I will have to research this some more. I hadn't intended them to have Affinity for Republic, but everyone kept asking why they are New Republic instead of Republic. It was my understanding the Gray Jedi came about after the Vong war ended.

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Grand Moff Boris wrote:
I will have to research this some more. I hadn't intended them to have Affinity for Republic, but everyone kept asking why they are New Republic instead of Republic. It was my understanding the Gray Jedi came about after the Vong war ended.


You may well be right. I honestly have no idea lol. Was just asking to be clear on it :)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:14 am 
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Yeah no worries. When it comes to flavor and canon, I am probably the last person to be asking for input on character choices lol. :)

EDIT: Well, next to last. I know slightly more than Rob did. :D

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 Post subject: Re: Gray Jedi
PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:47 am 
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'grey' jedi is a monniker stuck on the jedi that weren't dark side, but disagreed with the jedi council's interpretation of the way they jedi were meant to serve the force.

They've been around from the OR era onwards.

So yes, they could have affinity for all three, unless you are going for a specific grey jedi faction (ie Jensaari were republic -> NR era)

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even at 23 thats a massive power output for a cheap cost.

3 attacks at +14 for 40dmg a hit. Paired with Leia to re-roll the temptation save.

The flavor of the piece is obviously very rich but it seems incredibly powerful for 23 points.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:23 pm 
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I originally imagined the piece at a cost of 29 but I was concerned it would be compared to the JWM.

And then I thought it might be fun to see a Triple Attack jedi in the high teens. I think this is a very risky piece to play, even at 23 points. Yeah you get some real damage output but no defense without a CE, and he is probably prone to change sides more than once.

We can upp the cost to 28 or 29 and see where that takes us.

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Still needs work. The cost is too low for the damage output. I'd say 27.

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yes, cost should be higher, atleast 26, to make you decide between JWM and this one in a Rep squad.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:25 pm 
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Grey Jedi 26 pts. New Republic
80 Hit Points
18 Defense
+10 Attack
20 Damage

Special Abilities
Melee Attack. Triple Attack.
Affinity (May be on a Republic squad)
Force Ascetic
Internal Strife

Force Powers
Force 3
Dark Temptation
Lightsaber Assault

Force Ascetic fits the flavor that they rely completely on combat prowess, and has some interesting synergy with Internal Strife (which is there to show how close they walk to the dark side when they fight).

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 11:52 pm 
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Fine with me. PT it.

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Grey Jedi
Cost 26
HP 80
DEF 18
ATK +10
DAM 20

Special Abilities
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Affinity (May be in a Republic squad)
Force Ascetic (Cannot spend Force points to reroll or move faster)
Internal Strife (On an attack roll of natural 1, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish)

Force Powers
Force 3
Dark Temptation (Force 1: +4 Attack and +20 Damage until the end of this character's turn. At the end of that turn, make a save of 11; if this save fails, this character joins the opponent's squad until the end of the skirmish.)
Lightsaber Assault (Force 1, replaces attacks: Make 2 attacks)


For whoever makes the Flavor Text, it would be nice to mention of how Gray Jedi began in the Old Republic since we didn't give them Affinity to the Old Republic.


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If they need Affinity for OR I don't have a problem with that. They didn't start out with Affinity at all. Originally they were just NR.

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The term Gray Jedi was used by Jedi and Sith to describe Force-users who walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without surrendering to the dark side.

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"The so-called gray Jedi have been with us since the beginning. Although they do not break with the Jedi orthodoxy concerning the dark side, they bristle when asked to take orders from the Council."--
Restelly Quist, Jedi Chief Librarian following the New Sith Wars

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"Ah, and it makes you think I may have the taint of the dark side in me, doesn't it? Ooh. Is that what you are wondering, huh? Ooh."
―Jolee Bindo

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"Well, I assure you, I see more grey than dark or light. I'm just a stubborn old man, tired of the foolishness of others."
―Jolee Bindo, to Revan, in the Shadowlands of Kashyyyk

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