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thereisnotry wrote:

swinefeld wrote:

Is there a pure Fringe squad that can win?

IMHO, any Fringe squad can be improved by mixing in one of the cheap-and-powerful tech pieces from one of the main factions:
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Therefore, I don't think we should expect a Fringe-only squad to win a Regional, since the competition is so fierce and you need every edge you can possibly get if you hope to win.

True. Fringe options are looking better with Scum, but still...

Kinda funny how you need fringe tech to round out a main faction squad, and the reverse is also true.

swinefeld wrote:

thereisnotry wrote:

swinefeld wrote:

Is there a pure Fringe squad that can win?

True. Fringe options are looking better with Scum, but still...

Kinda funny how you need fringe tech to round out a main faction squad, and the reverse is also true.

The closet Fringe only squad I can think of would probably be something built around Xizor. Xizor/NBSV/Cad Bane is fun. But you can make it much better just by tossing in r2 and Mas.

So the pendulum swung all the way to one side, back, then there again.

An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

DarphNader wrote:

An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

Not if anything to say about I have.

No more hints on my last regional squad.

sthlrd2 wrote:

DarphNader wrote:

An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

Not if anything to say about I have.

No more hints on my last regional squad.

Bring the heat Jake!

DarphNader wrote:

sthlrd2 wrote:

DarphNader wrote:

An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

Not if anything to say about I have.

No more hints on my last regional squad.

Bring the heat Jake!

Hey now are you going to be in Danville to take this heat that he is going to be bringing?? I want to win one of these things after going 4 this season so I keep telling him to bring a pile of crap and test his skills.. Odds are he'd still whoop my butt

However of greater importance is that my international assignment has been postponed and therefore I'll be attending the GenCon festivities.

audrisampson wrote:

DarphNader wrote:

sthlrd2 wrote:

DarphNader wrote:

An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

Not if anything to say about I have.

No more hints on my last regional squad.

Bring the heat Jake!

Alas no, I will be unable to attend but make sure you put my KKJBM to good use.

BTW... I know what you mean, getting to two finals myself this regional season and not winning is tough but nonetheless encouraging. My encounters thus far with Jake have been epically absurd!

However of greater importance is that my international assignment has been postponed and therefore I'll be attending the GenCon festivities.

So here's my question/observation. Do we usually see power house pieces emerge from the previous set, while the most recent set tends to just lend support? There have been plenty of squads that have done well using V-set 2 pieces as their main damage dealers, but V-set 3 has mainly provided support. Sure there have been exceptions, Sithborg using Marka, the few squads we've seen using Corran, even most recently the squad with Galen, but for the most part the most popular V-set 3 pieces have been Foul, Tyber (who kinda does both, supports and attacks), guys from Cantina Brawl and the are more support or tech based.

hinkbert wrote:

I think it was just how the last set was, more support heavy. Maybe some powerhouse squad will rise to the top based on it just needing more time to be discovered, but I just think it's more the fact that it was just how that set turned out. Also - with every set more things can help a power squad rise. Foul helped Mace rise up. I'm sure Markos Ghost will make him better. You get the point.

Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open.

DarphNader wrote:

just as long as ponies are involved :lol:

DarphNader wrote:

Does this mean your going to Danville regional? Or are you specifically talking Gen Con?

Author:	Weeks [ Wed May 23, 2012 1:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 2012 Regional Meta
swinefeld wrote: thereisnotry wrote: swinefeld wrote: Is there a pure Fringe squad that can win? IMHO, any Fringe squad can be improved by mixing in one of the cheap-and-powerful tech pieces from one of the main factions: <snip> Therefore, I don't think we should expect a Fringe-only squad to win a Regional, since the competition is so fierce and you need every edge you can possibly get if you hope to win. True. Fringe options are looking better with Scum, but still... Kinda funny how you need fringe tech to round out a main faction squad, and the reverse is also true. The closet Fringe only squad I can think of would probably be something built around Xizor. Xizor/NBSV/Cad Bane is fun. But you can make it much better just by tossing in r2 and Mas.

Author:	thereisnotry [ Wed May 23, 2012 1:51 pm ]
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Weeks wrote: swinefeld wrote: thereisnotry wrote: swinefeld wrote: Is there a pure Fringe squad that can win? IMHO, any Fringe squad can be improved by mixing in one of the cheap-and-powerful tech pieces from one of the main factions: <snip> Therefore, I don't think we should expect a Fringe-only squad to win a Regional, since the competition is so fierce and you need every edge you can possibly get if you hope to win. True. Fringe options are looking better with Scum, but still... Kinda funny how you need fringe tech to round out a main faction squad, and the reverse is also true. The closet Fringe only squad I can think of would probably be something built around Xizor. Xizor/NBSV/Cad Bane is fun. But you can make it much better just by tossing in r2 and Mas. Exactly. That was the Fringe squad I was thinking about too. Even a Rodian Diplomat wouldn't be a horrible choice there, since the squad is so shooter-heavy. Heck, you might as well throw in Mace too! j/k

Author:	TimmerB123 [ Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:10 am ]
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So the pendulum swung all the way to one side, back, then there again. Low activations, High activations, Low again. Sith are a part of the discussion for real now. Congrats to the V-set designers. You have succeeded, any faction can win a regional, many MANY squads can compete, no one squad build type is dominant. Tough to deal with when trying to figure it all out, but best for the game methinks. 13/16 2012 Regionals completed. Imperials 3 (3 fairly different squads) Sith 2 (same squad) Republic 2 (very close to the same squad) Sep 2 (single lancer, double lancer) Vong 1 OR 1 Reb 1 Mando 1 Tim B 3 (Vong, Imp, Sith) Graham B 2 (OR, Sep) Jason K 2 (Imp, Rebel) Josh H 2 (both Rep) Matt S 1 (Imp) David W 1 (Sith) Han T 1 (Mando) Joey K 1 (Sep)

Author:	DarphNader [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:52 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2012 Regional Meta
An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called.

Author:	Grand Moff Boris [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:58 am ]
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TimmerB123 wrote: So the pendulum swung all the way to one side, back, then there again. There and back again... a designer's tale.

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Author:	sthlrd2 [ Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:21 pm ]
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DarphNader wrote: An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called. Not if anything to say about I have. No more hints on my last regional squad.

Author:	DarphNader [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:22 am ]
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sthlrd2 wrote: DarphNader wrote: An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called. Not if anything to say about I have. No more hints on my last regional squad. Bring the heat Jake!

Author:	audrisampson [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:49 am ]
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DarphNader wrote: sthlrd2 wrote: DarphNader wrote: An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called. Not if anything to say about I have. No more hints on my last regional squad. Bring the heat Jake! Hey now are you going to be in Danville to take this heat that he is going to be bringing?? I want to win one of these things after going 4 this season so I keep telling him to bring a pile of crap and test his skills.. Odds are he'd still whoop my butt

Author:	DarphNader [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:04 am ]
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audrisampson wrote: DarphNader wrote: sthlrd2 wrote: DarphNader wrote: An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called. Not if anything to say about I have. No more hints on my last regional squad. Bring the heat Jake! Hey now are you going to be in Danville to take this heat that he is going to be bringing?? I want to win one of these things after going 4 this season so I keep telling him to bring a pile of crap and test his skills.. Odds are he'd still whoop my butt Alas no, I will be unable to attend but make sure you put my KKJBM to good use. BTW... I know what you mean, getting to two finals myself this regional season and not winning is tough but nonetheless encouraging. My encounters thus far with Jake have been epically absurd! However of greater importance is that my international assignment has been postponed and therefore I'll be attending the GenCon festivities.

Author:	thereisnotry [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:10 am ]
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DarphNader wrote: However of greater importance is that my international assignment has been postponed and therefore I'll be attending the GenCon festivities. W00T!!! Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen....

Author:	audrisampson [ Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:01 pm ]
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DarphNader wrote: audrisampson wrote: DarphNader wrote: sthlrd2 wrote: DarphNader wrote: An excellent summation Tim, it will be interesting to see if the NR can bring home a victory before time is called. Not if anything to say about I have. No more hints on my last regional squad. Bring the heat Jake! Hey now are you going to be in Danville to take this heat that he is going to be bringing?? I want to win one of these things after going 4 this season so I keep telling him to bring a pile of crap and test his skills.. Odds are he'd still whoop my butt Alas no, I will be unable to attend but make sure you put my KKJBM to good use. BTW... I know what you mean, getting to two finals myself this regional season and not winning is tough but nonetheless encouraging. My encounters thus far with Jake have been epically absurd! However of greater importance is that my international assignment has been postponed and therefore I'll be attending the GenCon festivities. Thats great to hear! I've been wanting a match with ya since we met in Lansing.

Author:	DarphNader [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2012 Regional Meta
Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open.

Author:	hinkbert [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2012 Regional Meta
So here's my question/observation. Do we usually see power house pieces emerge from the previous set, while the most recent set tends to just lend support? There have been plenty of squads that have done well using V-set 2 pieces as their main damage dealers, but V-set 3 has mainly provided support. Sure there have been exceptions, Sithborg using Marka, the few squads we've seen using Corran, even most recently the squad with Galen, but for the most part the most popular V-set 3 pieces have been Foul, Tyber (who kinda does both, supports and attacks), guys from Cantina Brawl and the are more support or tech based.

Author:	TimmerB123 [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:01 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2012 Regional Meta
hinkbert wrote: So here's my question/observation. Do we usually see power house pieces emerge from the previous set, while the most recent set tends to just lend support? There have been plenty of squads that have done well using V-set 2 pieces as their main damage dealers, but V-set 3 has mainly provided support. Sure there have been exceptions, Sithborg using Marka, the few squads we've seen using Corran, even most recently the squad with Galen, but for the most part the most popular V-set 3 pieces have been Foul, Tyber (who kinda does both, supports and attacks), guys from Cantina Brawl and the are more support or tech based. I think it was just how the last set was, more support heavy. Maybe some powerhouse squad will rise to the top based on it just needing more time to be discovered, but I just think it's more the fact that it was just how that set turned out. Also - with every set more things can help a power squad rise. Foul helped Mace rise up. I'm sure Markos Ghost will make him better. You get the point.

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Author:	hinkbert [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:27 pm ]
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TimmerB123 wrote: hinkbert wrote: So here's my question/observation. Do we usually see power house pieces emerge from the previous set, while the most recent set tends to just lend support? There have been plenty of squads that have done well using V-set 2 pieces as their main damage dealers, but V-set 3 has mainly provided support. Sure there have been exceptions, Sithborg using Marka, the few squads we've seen using Corran, even most recently the squad with Galen, but for the most part the most popular V-set 3 pieces have been Foul, Tyber (who kinda does both, supports and attacks), guys from Cantina Brawl and the are more support or tech based. I think it was just how the last set was, more support heavy. Maybe some powerhouse squad will rise to the top based on it just needing more time to be discovered, but I just think it's more the fact that it was just how that set turned out. Also - with every set more things can help a power squad rise. Foul helped Mace rise up. I'm sure Markos Ghost will make him better. You get the point. That's definitely true (in terms of V-set 3 just being more support oriented). But I was also thinking (and the regionals this year have shown this) the V-sets continue to make all factions competitive, and this is the first time that's every really happened for a regional season. So it makes sense that strong pieces from V-set 2 (since it's been around a little longer) would emerge this regional season, since people are thoroughly familiar with them and know how to use them.

Author:	RaginRancor [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:01 pm ]
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DarphNader wrote: Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open. just as long as ponies are involved

Author:	audrisampson [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:28 pm ]
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RaginRancor wrote: DarphNader wrote: Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open. just as long as ponies are involved If Im there, there will always be Ponies involved.

Author:	sthlrd2 [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:20 pm ]
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DarphNader wrote: Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open. Does this mean your going to Danville regional? Or are you specifically talking Gen Con?

Author:	DarphNader [ Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:57 pm ]
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sthlrd2 wrote: DarphNader wrote: Well we shall see what the GambleTron 8000 has to say about the pairings. It certainly would be fun to clash with you, now to work on deciding on the squad. As this particular string has indicated, the Meta is wide open. Does this mean your going to Danville regional? Or are you specifically talking Gen Con? Jake I was referring to GenCon, as I'll be on BT that weekend.

Author:	greentime [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:54 pm ]
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hinkbert wrote: So here's my question/observation. Do we usually see power house pieces emerge from the previous set, while the most recent set tends to just lend support? There have been plenty of squads that have done well using V-set 2 pieces as their main damage dealers, but V-set 3 has mainly provided support. Sure there have been exceptions, Sithborg using Marka, the few squads we've seen using Corran, even most recently the squad with Galen, but for the most part the most popular V-set 3 pieces have been Foul, Tyber (who kinda does both, supports and attacks), guys from Cantina Brawl and the are more support or tech based. Well, I finished 2nd at Charlotte with a Nomi Sunrider squad. She is also a weird tweener piece, sort of a crappy beatstick but with random kind of good tech sprinkled on top. I was pleasantly surprised at how good Force Pull 2 was, and very disappointed at the borderline uselessness of her CE and the practical impossibility of using Force Light. I'm sorry, in case you missed that I FINISHED SECOND AT A REGIONAL WITH NOMI FREAKIN SUNRIDER. And Bossk, Trandoshan Mercenary, of all pieces. Tim Ballard, I challenge you to play Nomi Sunrider at a regional this year. If you can win with that, Daniel and I will carry you around Indy on a palanquin during Gencon.