Echo wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
I might take the blame for infecting Atlanta with Citadels. We played it after hours at GenCon in 2010, and to my knowledge it was their first time.
Haha, oh yeah, I remember that. Deri got assassinated like 3 turns in a row and started getting pissed.
What's funny is that to a Welshman getting pissed means drunk, and he was definitely doing that too!
Echo wrote:
Setup time is also greatly mitigated if you use a storage method other than the boxes that Dominion comes in. Personally I have a large 3-ring binder that easily holds all my cards and is organized by set and then alphabetically, and it never takes more than 2-3 minutes to set up or tear down the game.
It takes longer to set-up/tear down dominion EVERY TIME, regardless of storage system. I don't mind the organization of the Dominion box storage system. I have the big box exclusive, which has the original game, prosperity and alchemy all in one box. My issue with it is the size - it's huge. I have all the expansions and it practically takes a dolly to tote them all around. 3 ring binders might save space - so it is a good idea, but I don't see how much time it would save. I am not bringing Dominion this year because I literally don't have SPACE.
Echo wrote:
I find Ascension to be strictly worse than Dominion; the fact that what you can buy changes every turn makes it MUCH more luck-based (depending on just what is out for you to buy) and makes it much more difficult to create a strong deck since you have so much less control. Good Dominion play requires very deliberate, strategic execution of a plan. Good Ascension play is more about getting the right stuff at the right time and just buying the strongest card out there. I think that an algorithm that just buys the most expensive card you can afford each turn would do a lot better in Ascension than in Dominion.
This is spoken like someone who hasn't played Ascension much. While there is
some truth to the fact that there is luck of when a card dropped that is not present in Dominion, it's much smaller than you think.
You are 100% wrong (hilariously so) about just buying the most expensive card would win you the game most times. As I get better at the game I find myself strategically NOT buying cards even when I can. I have probably played more games of ascension that you have Dominion (due to the fact it's an app on iPhone!) and I can't get enough.
Oh yeah, it's an app on iPhone! You can pop out a game in less than 10 minutes on your phone - Dominion wouldn't even be set up by that point! (You still have to choose what decks to use in Dominion, regardless of the "speedy" 3 ring binder setup)
And let's face it - you have to be selective about what decks you choose. I have a Dominion randomizer app, and random games often suck. The best Dominion games I have played were through carefully chosen decks. Otherwise it's clear that one strategy is the best, and everyone races for it. Then it's luck of the draw from your own deck. That's even worse than luck of the draw from the center deck.
You see - with the addition of "honor" and killing monsters, Ascension has multiple paths to victory. SO it's more fluid thinking, adapting strategies as different tools become available. Dominion you rarely change course - you make a plan and sprint towards it. Dominion is all about the pre-game plan. Ascension is thinking on your feet.
I was the "Dominion" guy in our group. I have all the expansions, and I was always trying to get people to play. People thought it was decent, but like Ascension better. Now that giant stack of boxes that is Dominion mostly collects dust.
Not all of us have a job where we sit in front of a computer and get paid while we play games. So no - I'm not going to play Dominion online.
Ascension on my phone in under 10 minutes anywhere I want? Yes please! I can be out and about and grab a quick game anytime and not be stuck at home in front of my computer. Sweet!
If they ever make Dominion into an app then I would buy it, but honestly I don't even know if I'll buy the new expansion.
Now - all that being said, I am in for Dominion. Although it won't be as fun with Daniel just trouncing us, I am still in. It's much better when you can just join in and play (not have to pick decks, organize, or transport everything - I was always that guy). Besides, I am playing in 2 Ascension tournaments on Thursday.