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Where is GOWK at regionals?
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Author:  TimmerB123 [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:16 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is GOWK at regionals?
jonnyb815 wrote:
I dont believe it was 5 of 7 since we only played 6 rounds hehehe.

whoops, you're right. 4 of 6.

Anyway - my only point was I disagreed with the term "autoloss".

To me autoloss is Sith lord Palp vs an all clone squad. Nearly impossible to win, not just advantage to one side.
Author:  billiv15 [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is GOWK at regionals?
TimmerB123 wrote:
jonnyb815 wrote:
I dont believe it was 5 of 7 since we only played 6 rounds hehehe.

whoops, you're right. 4 of 6.

Anyway - my only point was I disagreed with the term "autoloss".

To me autoloss is Sith lord Palp vs an all clone squad. Nearly impossible to win, not just advantage to one side.


Well I actually wrote, "autoloss of sorts" there you know :) The other reason GOWK isn't necessarily an autoloss is that even though the odds of shooters killing him in an hour is low, it still can happen.
Author:  billiv15 [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is GOWK at regionals?
billiv15 wrote:
TimmerB123 wrote:
jonnyb815 wrote:
I dont believe it was 5 of 7 since we only played 6 rounds hehehe.

whoops, you're right. 4 of 6.

Anyway - my only point was I disagreed with the term "autoloss".

To me autoloss is Sith lord Palp vs an all clone squad. Nearly impossible to win, not just advantage to one side.


Well I actually wrote, "autoloss of sorts" there you know :) The other reason GOWK isn't necessarily an autoloss is that even though the odds of shooters killing him in an hour is low, it still can happen.


How many of those 4 games were you the better player starting out? How many were on your map? Did Matt prep for that matchup at all ahead of time (I can tell you the answer is no so he had no idea how to play it). Did you play against myself or Aaron? Nope.

I would argue that in all 4 games you were the better player (at least on that day) and were more prepared for the match up. That gave you, not the squad, a decided advantage that isn't based on the squad strength.

Now we all know it was a good squad, that's not the real question. So can you name another all shooter squad that has decent odds against a good well run GOWK squad? We are pretty much back to all gimmick squads that can pound out insane damage like TBSVs, etc for anything that would get close enough to 50%. That was my point :)
Author:  fingersandteeth [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is GOWK at regionals?
Summary

2 of the fastest threats in the meta are melee of which GOWK has no defense against.

Republic has no tempo control and so rebel squads can play avoidance.

GOWK doesn't bring enough output to effectively finish games.

Squads playing mainly non-melee either have super speed or Melee/force dmg threats that can deal with GOWK should he turn up.

As a result of all this GOWK has little impact on the meta and thus is a spoiler build so people ignore him (i.e. he isn't a meta piece anymore).
Author:  TimmerB123 [ Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Where is GOWK at regionals?
fingersandteeth wrote:
Summary

2 of the fastest threats in the meta are melee of which GOWK has no defense against.

Republic has no tempo control and so rebel squads can play avoidance.

GOWK doesn't bring enough output to effectively finish games.

Squads playing mainly non-melee either have super speed or Melee/force dmg threats that can deal with GOWK should he turn up.

As a result of all this GOWK has little impact on the meta and thus is a spoiler build so people ignore him (i.e. he isn't a meta piece anymore).


Certainly not meta, probably not even tier 1
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