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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:50 pm 
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Boba52 wrote:
I am pretty sure this is the EXACT moment were it turned to be about you.

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Is this really the type of post a "Forum Guide" and ambassador for WotC should be making?


Sometimes the best post is no post at all. :P :D


At least over here no one can hit the report button over and over again just because they see my name at the top of the post. :P

I'm not going to apologize for sharing my opinion. I'm not going to stop sharing my opinion either, not just because there are some people who see my name and anticipate or infer attitudes and emotions that don't exist.

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You're right about one thing. I can't change my posting style. Not because I don't want to or because I have some sort of perverse pleasure in offending people, but because I can't (as I recently discovered) be sure what actually offends. Even in disagreements between us about something, you have commented something I said offended you, and I actually went back and edited something entirely different - not ever realizing it was a different comment that got your attention.


I'm not sure if you've ever said anything that actually offended me. But you write a lot of stuff that I understand why people get upset about. I read the post, write something, delete it because it's not worth it, and start the internal countdown in my head "3,2,1..." until someone posts basically exactly what my first impression was.

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I hate that we are suddenly making this about me, btw. It really should not be.


You opened yourself up when you made it about Fool's status on WotC. You made it about the poster instead of the post. If you had just said "not funny" or even that you felt it was some personal attack on you (which I don't understand and wouldn't interpret it as but assuming you do) without relating it to that situation which I think most will also apply to you as another "ambassador of the game" whether you consider yourself one or not I don't think it would have given such an immediate first impresson of hypocrisy.

Anyway, that's another worthless attempt to explain why. :D Last word is yours as I'm not interested in being dragged further into another public discussion about you. PM is always available if there's something you really are curious to know.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:24 pm 
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You opened yourself up when you made it about Fool's status on WotC. You made it about the poster instead of the post. If you had just said "not funny" or even that you felt it was some personal attack on you (which I don't understand and wouldn't interpret it as but assuming you do) without relating it to that situation which I think most will also apply to you as another "ambassador of the game" whether you consider yourself one or not I don't think it would have given such an immediate first impresson of hypocrisy.


Well first I didn't feel like it was an attack on me. Others, yes, but not me. Looking back, I can see what you're saying about me making it about the poster instead of the post. It's a fine line, I admit.

Secondly, its kind of some people (even in the context of this thread) to consider me some sort of "ambassador" at the level of which Fool is now involved, but I don't see myself that way. I'm happy to help new players and discuss fun stuff about the game, but to me that is not the same thing. Ok, that's all I have to say on the subject. :)

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Grand Moff Boris wrote:

Secondly, its kind of some people (even in the context of this thread) to consider me some sort of "ambassador" at the level of which Fool is now involved, but I don't see myself that way. I'm happy to help new players and discuss fun stuff about the game, but to me that is not the same thing. Ok, that's all I have to say on the subject. :)


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Grand Moff Boris wrote:

Secondly, its kind of some people (even in the context of this thread) to consider me some sort of "ambassador" at the level of which Fool is now involved, but I don't see myself that way. I'm happy to help new players and discuss fun stuff about the game, but to me that is not the same thing. Ok, that's all I have to say on the subject. :)


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I was going to say...I have absolutely no clue what this "ambassador" stuff is. Fool is as much of a champion for the game as any of the rest of us. Heck, even Fool isn't considered one of the "big three" to use the WOTC terminology. :P

I personally thought it was a bit funny, but a bit mocking as well. But I tried to take it in stride, and just ignore it. :P

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I was going to say...I have absolutely no clue what this "ambassador" stuff is. Fool is as much of a champion for the game as any of the rest of us. Heck, even Fool isn't considered one of the "big three" to use the WOTC terminology. :P

I personally thought it was a bit funny, but a bit mocking as well. But I tried to take it in stride, and just ignore it. :P


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Not sure how I misqouted here. I was simply agreeing with Fool.


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At least over here no one can hit the report button over and over again just because they see my name at the top of the post. :P


Muhahaha!! I've found it, REPORT, REPORT, REPORT!!!!!

on topic-ish, though I think this discussion was run through once, I'm looking forward to the new options that all factions have gotten in JA.
Like: - New Vong SA, and Vong in the NR
- Teaming Assaj with old Durge and wreaking havok!! (not JA.. but meh!)
- New NR piece
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- Teaming Assaj with old Durge and wreaking havok!! (not JA.. but meh!)


At least the third time I've seen this.....old Durge's CE ONLY works for non-Uniques. So, personally, I'd rather team up the new Durge with Assaj SA. ;)

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What if he doesn't get banned and they just errata him where he loses his CE. Which would suck as he would become a follower but you would have to put him with new Yoda which takes a lot of your points.


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What if he doesn't get banned and they just errata him where he loses his CE. Which would suck as he would become a follower but you would have to put him with new Yoda which takes a lot of your points.


Well the main problem is he got erratted to this state of disrepair.

This was force on us..... a practically unkillable super commander.

One of the things I hope from a ban is it will force Wizards, Rob or fill in the blank to go back and look what happened and he can be fixed.

Soresu Style Mastery cannot be changed to much because as the wizards database has shown Luminara has Soresu Style... So they have to be somewhat close.

Mettle seems to be the biggest issue.

I wish when he was playtested it had not been one on one against Dooku of Serrano as this mistake would have been spotted long before we reached this point.

The game can be frustrating enough when you watch Vader's Apprentice Redeemed evade 120 dmg in one game thanks to Rieekan.... but when you watch Gowk avoid 800 in one game and you realize disruptive won't help... force defense wont help.... missles wont help..... it gets a bit more than frustrating for any one person.

Are force lightening, flame thrower, force push and other direct dmage things good counters? Sure are they totally effective? NO

That is the problem with it for me. A good hate squad should do better than just 45-50% chance of winning and that really is about all you get with Gowk....

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A new rulebook/glossary would need to be printed

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A new rulebook/glossary would need to be printed


I don't think so. A DCI ban will do nothing to the fact that casual players will play him.

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Yeah, a ban has nothing to do with the game itself. It is strictly for a specific tournament sub-set.

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Grand Moff Boris wrote:
Yeah, a ban has nothing to do with the game itself. It is strictly for a specific tournament sub-set.


I meant in the fact that the glossary still says melee only correct? And it owuld helpful for thoe who haven't yet come online but are showing up to thire frist DCI game ever.

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Grand Moff Boris wrote:
Yeah, a ban has nothing to do with the game itself. It is strictly for a specific tournament sub-set.


I meant in the fact that the glossary still says melee only correct? And it owuld helpful for thoe who haven't yet come online but are showing up to thire frist DCI game ever.


If they "haven't yet come online" and are showing up for their "first DCI game ever"... "GOWK is banned in DCI play" is going to be the least of their worries.

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Even if the rulebook were updated, they could still show up playing Komari Vosa as non-melee or a Dooku/Tyranus squad. :D It's kind of a non-issue...

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Even if the rulebook were updated, they could still show up playing Komari Vosa as non-melee or a Dooku/Tyranus squad. :D It's kind of a non-issue...


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Soresu Style Mastery cannot be changed to much because as the wizards database has shown Luminara has Soresu Style... So they have to be somewhat close.



Well, not that this is a fix GOWK thread, but it seems if you were going to try and fix him you would just elimate SSM all together and just give him Lightsaber Defense like he should have had in the first place. Having to use a force point would have stopped all this prevent 900 damage nonsense straight away.

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Boba52 wrote:
dnemiller wrote:
Soresu Style Mastery cannot be changed to much because as the wizards database has shown Luminara has Soresu Style... So they have to be somewhat close.



Well, not that this is a fix GOWK thread, but it seems if you were going to try and fix him you would just elimate SSM all together and just give him Lightsaber Defense like he should have had in the first place. Having to use a force point would have stopped all this prevent 900 damage nonsense straight away.


Actually, I suggested the following at one point, but I don't know how far it went - probably not very:

Soresu Style Mastery (When hit by an attack from a nonadjacent enemy, this character takes no damage with a save of 11. When hit by a melee attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11.)

So it still works very similar but there is a way to deal with it - get adjacent with a non-melee fig. Alternatively, just giving him Evade and Parry would have amounted to the same thing.

Lightsaber Defense makes him vulnerable to Vong.

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